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Topic review - Three Types Salvation
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Well, subjunctive of purpose means something which hasn't finished yet, but is purposed and ongoing. Subjunctive has other meanings too, but in that passage it's subj of purpose.
Post Posted: 27 May 2016, 05:14
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Post Posted: 27 May 2016, 04:37
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Yes, the Colonel taught birthing fluids, often stopping to talk about the breaking of the amniotic sac. But surely water of the Word is also relevant.
Post Posted: 27 May 2016, 04:19
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Post Posted: 27 May 2016, 03:58
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Yeah, talk to hupostasis re jesus-is-savior.com . KJVO site he knows a lot about.
Post Posted: 18 May 2016, 07:06
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Yeah, that is pretty low. There's a on Thieme's teaching on the Blood of Christ, at jesus-is-savior.com. I remember skimming through it years ago when I first googled "R. B. Thieme Jr", just to see how popular he was. In fact, that's how I found your videos on youtube. Anyways, its just the same old song and dance, theologians screaming heresy at each other, just like the Byzantine church.
Post Posted: 18 May 2016, 06:32
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Well, you'll hear Thieme cover it eventually. It's the doctrine on which he's the most attacked. DTS even chartered someone to on it, can you believe that. Really stupid thing, to write about whether some pastor's 'doctrine' is right. Shameful.
Post Posted: 18 May 2016, 06:10
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Post Posted: 18 May 2016, 05:22
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Well, Isaiah 53:10 FLAT TELLS YOU that His Blood is his thinking, paying for sin: b'daato yatsdiq . So that's where the Colonel go the teaching from. So 'Blood of Christ' is the NT usage of that verse. Blood circulates in body, thoughts circulate in soul, but the soul is the real you.

So Salv 1 is JUST BELIEVE, and saved to heaven.
Salv2, get HIS THOUGHTS in you, and 1mature. I tried to explain all that in http://www.brainout.net/DDNA.htm but it's really long.
Salv3 is 1Cor15, new body. Like His body, 1John2:26-3:2.

I don't think the color for Hebrew weddings is relevant, for the terms are all Roman.
Post Posted: 18 May 2016, 05:01
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Post Posted: 18 May 2016, 03:46
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Well, I don't remember how Thieme commented on it, could be. Technically they are FESTIVE garments (citations in BDAG meaning #2 for leukos. So maybe ties to wedding attire?

Problem with that claim of wedding, is that Romans didn't use white for weddings. I forget what color it was, but not white.
Post Posted: 18 May 2016, 01:48
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Ok, so that explains why Rev 3:4 says, "they will walk with me in whites (pural)". That must include both garment and robe.

I was listening to the Colonel talk about the Uniforms of Honor and Glory. He didn't mention the robes, but its been bugging me for a long time.
Post Posted: 18 May 2016, 01:22
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Well, himation is inner, stole is outer, so likely the latter distinguishes the winner. Poor didn't have stole. If you worked in the fields, you just had himation. When you dressed up, you added stole.
Post Posted: 18 May 2016, 00:37
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What would you say is the difference between the garments (hematia) of Rev 3:5, and the robes (stolei) in Rev 6:11???

At first, I though maybe slolei was for martyrs only, but Rev 22:14 seems to imply that it is available for all winner believers.

Are they simply interchangeable terms?
Post Posted: 17 May 2016, 20:58
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Metabolized Doctrine (aka epignosis), Thieme's term.
Post Posted: 04 May 2016, 03:56
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So growth, but with locked-in interest rates.

What do you mean by MD? Mature Doctrine?
Post Posted: 04 May 2016, 03:48
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Okay, since we will be like Christ, and He is free, but will be SMALLER, it's like growing with a small bank account rather than a large one. Small 'deposits' of MD daily still grow, but very slowly. That's where I differ from the Colonel, on the grounds that it's not fair to Father to hear frozen souls.
Post Posted: 04 May 2016, 03:45
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I see what you mean. I'm used to thinking of temptation coming from the Sin Nature alone, but I didn't stop to think about Satan's fall. He didn't start off with a Sin Nature like we did.

Ok, so there is growth, but is there a way to grow your way out of spiritual poverty? Or was that a one-time shot with the Escrows awarded during temporal life?

If so, why would Escrow opportunity only be limited to temporal life?
Post Posted: 04 May 2016, 03:43
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If there's no temptation to resist, there's no freedom. FREE not to sin. The temptations will be for the low to accept the high and vice versa, to use MD even as now. If FREE then temptation remains, but NO SIN NATURE means we won't want to sin.. freely.

Think: the elect angels are free. Never says that one cannot sin post-death, anywhere. But the problem is, sin is attractive to us, down here. Won't be, up there, just as it isn't to the angels.

I don't know about what Leaves on the Tree mean.
Post Posted: 04 May 2016, 03:13
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Ok. So Epignosis is growth of the Kardia. But still, no testing in Eternal State since there is no temptation to resist, therefore no further reward for growth apart from daily Epignosis. So that explains WHY there is growth with no Escrow Blessings in Eternal State and WHY Escrow can be awarded in TEMPORAL LIFE only.

So does that mean that the Leaves of the Tree of Life represent Epignosis???
Post Posted: 04 May 2016, 03:05
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Epignosis IS growth. 'Testing' is living ON what you learned. It's still growth, either way, and the eternal state is FREE, so then plenty of opportunity to grow, still.
Post Posted: 04 May 2016, 02:36
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But what Jeremiah 31 and Hebrew 8&10 are talking about is KNOWLEDGE of God, which the Colonel called EPIGNOSIS. According to him, Epignosis alone does not guarantee growth. The Epignosis must be applied during testing for growth to occur. So in order for growth to occur during the Eternal State, there would have to be SOME FORM of testing. I don't think that is the case.
Post Posted: 04 May 2016, 02:27
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Okay, but escrow blessings don't preclude spiritual growth post-death, especially given the verses I just gave you in Jeremiah and Hebrews.
Post Posted: 04 May 2016, 02:10
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That's exactly what I mean. You can only be tested in temporal life, so Escrow can only be awarded pre-death.
Post Posted: 04 May 2016, 01:51
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Escrow blessings have to be awarded pre-death.
Post Posted: 04 May 2016, 01:45
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Well, if I understood the Colonel correctly, somewhere in his study of Thiatyra, he mentioned that there will be no temptation to resist during the Eternal State, therefore no testing of our application of Doctrine. If you can't be tested, then your performance cannot be evaluated to qualify for Escrow Blessings. So maybe there will be growth, but no way to test that growth, no pressure testing.
Post Posted: 04 May 2016, 01:26
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Tested? See no reason for testing. It's kinda like what the Colonel said about ESCROW BLESSINGS. Those who didn't mature, don't get them. Biggest blessing is KNOWING GOD. So then they will know a little, least category, Jer 31:31-34 quoted as bookends in Heb 8:8-12 through 10:15-17. So it's still a kind of 'separation', much like poor versus rich.
Post Posted: 03 May 2016, 22:34
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The Soul can not cease to exist. When we think of death, we tend to think of annihilation, but the Biblical definition of Death doesn't seem to be annihilation, but separation. Our thinking can be separated from God. In that sense, the soul can die, as in separation.

In Greek, the soul is called the Psuche/Psyche.

In the case of the non-believer, there is total Psychological/Psuche Death (total separation from God's thinking).

In the case of the cosmic believer, its more like Psychological/Psuche Atrophy (which requires a continuous Rx for the leaves of the Tree of Life).

If all souls are growing at least at a minimal rate, then the poor will still be poor in comparison to the rich. Economic inflation. Plus, how will Epignosis be tested in the Eternal State?
Post Posted: 03 May 2016, 07:18
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But the soul cannot die, and God is not benefitted by eternally-ignorant believers. They would naturally have SMALL souls, since only MD can increase soul size, but wouldn't that then mean a VERY SLOW yet constantly-increasing GROWTH in the eternal state? So all thoughts are pleasing to God, even if small and stunted, but increasing?

Colonel speculated that once you die, you're spiritually frozen. I guess I'm saying that doesn't sound right. He never turned that speculation into a dogma or doctrine, either.
Post Posted: 03 May 2016, 06:49
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Post Posted: 03 May 2016, 05:07
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BTW, just got an idea. Remember the Colonel's ? Those are the three types. but it's really more than that. Z stands for eternity, but even then, people need to be 'saved' from their ignorance, daily. So every day is a drama, something to be learned, a success story that ever escalates and never ends. That's why the unending 'crosses' of those more-mature, getting to help the lesser; and the lesser, bearing out the learning process.

Also, thinking about how Matt24:13's 'I don't know you' has weeping and gnashing clause. Either it's temporal (life down here only), or if eternal, depicts distance in heaven. Which goes back to, the weeping thread, .
Post Posted: 03 May 2016, 04:14
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Well, you're already into doctrine, so maybe only view the first video, which gives the corrected translation. For you already 'got it' about John 10:34, so the only missing piece for you, is the Psalm 82:1 corr trans in Hebrew (which first video displays live in Bibleworks). You'll get it fast.

I always make long videos and writeups for those not already aware of the doctrines, or for those who are aware of the text, but didn't THINK ABOUT IT in the way shown. All my stuff is only for brainstorming, never selling.
Post Posted: 26 Apr 2016, 18:25
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Cool. I'll have to take some time to go through it. Its just so exciting how you can reread something that meant one thing to you, and then suddenly see a whole new message tying into so many doctrines.
Post Posted: 26 Apr 2016, 15:14
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Yeppers. Did a whole channel on that, https://vimeo.com/channels/psalm82
Post Posted: 26 Apr 2016, 06:55
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Post Posted: 26 Apr 2016, 06:24
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Post Posted: 07 Feb 2016, 19:47
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Post Posted: 06 Feb 2016, 21:39
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Well, let's take this one step at a time. Define 'soiled garments'.
Post Posted: 06 Feb 2016, 09:29
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Post Posted: 06 Feb 2016, 07:07
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Well, in Zech 4 the clean robes of Joshua was salvation, not individual sin. Wedding garment.

Swaddling is like the GRADE of clothing you wear, post salvation. So dying in a state of sin, 1John 5:16, doesn't invalidate salvation.
Post Posted: 05 Feb 2016, 06:25
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Post Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 21:37
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Yeah. But being clothed with Christ is higher than just having clean clothes (Joshua analogy which is where, Zech 4?) -- Clothing is a thinking, Gal 4:19, Christ BORN in you, so your thinking WARDROBE would include gold silver precious stones, since those are also and even primarily, items of apparel.

So a baby in Christ is clothed with Christ, but as it were, in swaddling clothes. An adult can be simply dressed or regally dressed (Bible well understood, circulating in your SOC compared with mere Faith Rest or other basic doctrines).
Post Posted: 03 Feb 2016, 08:47
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Post Posted: 02 Feb 2016, 02:41
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Yeah, but that's the point. Clothing TYPE is an issue. Being clothed with Christ can be childish clothing or adult clothing, as 1 John2 shows.
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Post Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 06:33
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@Brainout

Well, I'm not sure its pure analogy. There must be physical distance to reflect spiritual distance. Like being locked out of the Wedding, or not being allowed into New Jerusalem.
Post Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 00:54
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Well, that's why it seems we should treat 'outer' and 'darkness' analogously, for the elect. Figurative for some kind of distance and separation.
Post Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 00:24
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@Brainout

That's true, but would little children be sent to the Outer Darkness for not having the opportunity to mature? So maybe the penalty comes to those who had the time and availability of teachings, and didn't make use of it. I know nikaw can refer to juridicial and soul salvation, but it seems that the 7 letters refer to the soul side of things. I just feel like interpreting nikaw differently for each letter would open a double standard.
Post Posted: 27 Jan 2016, 13:58

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