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Topic review - Parable of Ten Virgins
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Series will resume after October 15th, with a much-more indepth 'Quantum Bible' showing all the related passages for the Constantine-Justinian I period.
Post Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 03:01
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Now typing from my Android on my home network, woo-hoo!
Post Posted: 06 Apr 2017, 21:18
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So the meter must be real important, cuz now I'm down to my last 1000, and have 200K to bill. Will it arrive in time? PS that 200K is 3 years' labor, so don't think I'm rich.
Post Posted: 06 Apr 2017, 21:09
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Thanks. I can only access brainout.net now if I use xfinity wifi hotspot; I can no longer access it with my router, wired or via its own wifi. Two days ago, I didn't have that problem. Comcast won't fix it, so I complained loud enough that they are sending a supervisor technician out tomorrow. So now I've lost 3 days.
Post Posted: 06 Apr 2017, 03:14
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brainout wrote:
I don't know how I missed your post, but just found it when changing forum skins to the orange one. Yeah, I see your point. This underscores the idea that we are accumulating DOCTRINAL wealth which will differentiate us in eternity.

The more I think about how hard it must be for folks to live when they have so little doctrine, the more I want to SPEND what I know on them. Maybe, that's the point?



Testing.
Post Posted: 06 Apr 2017, 00:10
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I don't know how I missed your post, but just found it when changing forum skins to the orange one. Yeah, I see your point. This underscores the idea that we are accumulating DOCTRINAL wealth which will differentiate us in eternity.

The more I think about how hard it must be for folks to live when they have so little doctrine, the more I want to SPEND what I know on them. Maybe, that's the point?
Post Posted: 01 Apr 2017, 20:59
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Yeah it seems to tie heavily to the Outer Darkness topic too, when we factor in Talents. It wasn't until talking with God that I took special notice of "buying oil". It also seems that RBT might have been right yet again. Those who fail Bema seem to have to buy oil, to catch up on spiritual growth, maybe thru the duration of the Mil in preparation for reintegration into the Eternal State. Perhaps they'll have to watch and learn from afar as king-priests rule. I'm just speculating for now.
Post Posted: 08 Feb 2017, 18:47
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Well, one must distinguish between being IN at the Wedding Feast versus merely saved. Rapture is for all Church, so all the virgins. But who gets to go to the Wedding Feast?

Talk to God about that idea, as it brings us back to the wedding garment and outer darkness threads.
Post Posted: 08 Feb 2017, 14:12
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Ok. The harem does make sense, but at what point does the rapture occur? Only the 5 wise go in with the Lord.

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I suppose, to a answer my own question, the virgins waking and rising would be the Rapture, and trimming the lamps would be the judgment of works.

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Then all those virgins rose, and trimmed their lamps.


If that is true (and I think it might be), then those who are found to have nothing spiritually valuable at the Judgment, will have to "buy more oil", while the rest of the virgins go into the wedding. So is 'buying more oil' equivalent to catching up on doctrine?

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go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.’ 10“And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast;
Post Posted: 07 Feb 2017, 17:46
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Well, let's parse all that out.
1. They are virgins, not bridesmaids. Presume Scripture uses words precisely.
2. Waiting for the Rapture, not 2nd Advent, if Church. Since He's ID'd as the Bridegroom, it can only mean CHURCH. Not some other group. So it cannot be 2nd Advent, nor does the text ever say it is.
3. In the ancient world, a potentate collected many women, married them all, as a harem, example of the story of Esther. So here, the potential wives HAVE to be virgins to be eligible, but here also they are not rounded up by troops as the virgins in Esther were. Instead, they are voluntary.
4. It cannot be 2nd Advent, cuz they don't know when He will come. Every day of the Trib ending at 2nd Advent is deliberately counted, Daniel 12.

I'll stop here to see if you find the foregoing, helpful.
Post Posted: 07 Feb 2017, 16:25
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Matt 25:
1“Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their lamps, and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2“And five of them were foolish, and five were prudent. 3“For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, 4but the prudent took oil in flasks along with their lamps. 5“Now while the bridegroom was delaying, they all got drowsy and began to sleep. 6“But at midnight there was a shout, ‘Behold, the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’ 7“Then all those virgins rose, and trimmed their lamps. 8“And the foolish said to the prudent, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9“But the prudent answered, saying, ‘No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.’ 10“And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut. 11“And later the other virgins also came, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open up for us.’ 12“But he answered and said, ‘Truly I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13“Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour.


I'm having a real problem trying to explain how the virgins (παρθένος) can be identified with the Church/Bride in the literal interpretation of the parable. I find that I don't really understand something until I can explain it in writing, and at this point, I can't. When it comes to the meter, the application seems to work just fine, but the passage doesn't have to be about the Church to comment on the Church's character. We have seen the Matt 24 meter apply 2nd Advent events to the Church in symbolic ways, this might similar.

I'm starting to think that παρθένος was used rather than νύμφη, specifically for the meter. By that I mean, metrically, παρθένος, would apply to the Church as the Bride, but prophetically, it would apply to Tribulation survivors as bridesmaids. So maybe the generic nature of the word was intentional for the purposes of dual application.

Here is my main issue. In the parable, the virgins are waiting for the bridegroom to come and let them into the wedding. Matt 22:1-9 states that the bridegroom comes to earth at the 2nd Advent to let people into the wedding, so how or why would the Church be waiting on earth for the bridegroom to let them into the wedding, when we're supposed to be returning with Him?
Post Posted: 07 Feb 2017, 15:58

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