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Who among the GOP would you vote for (pick two, idea of Prez and Veep)
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MASTER SITE OF INFORMATION ON ALL US ELECTIONS WITH FULL CANDIDATE DATA, 2016: http://2016.presidential-candidates.org/ . Despite the name, it's not merely pres candidates, look at the links at its pagetop.

Poll requires two choices per voter. If you don't like any of them, don't vote and say who instead you'd vote for in the comments. You can change your vote. This forum is newly open to Guests and Members, so the poll can become more representative of random voters. Only Members can change their votes, sorry (Board has no option for Guests to be 'remembered').

More details on the candidates and their pictures, here. If you don't like Fox, pick somewhere else. I only chose Fox because it will likely have full videos of the debates. Frankly, I don't watch it often, so I can't say how well it reports the news.

EDIT: here's a rather-good, master site of candidate summaries called politicks.org; but be sure to generically BLOCK ALL its cookies before you even go there. Conditional blocking per cookie, takes 10 minutes, as the typically-horrible webdesigner hides cookies within cookies, so you have to move the blocker dialogue around in order to find the root cookies to block.


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So far, only Jeb Bush and Dr. Carson are moderately in the running. They ALL have truly insulting websites, with no search engine and really bad organization, big loud pictures asking for money and no easy way to navigate to find out what their positions are. Trump did have a link stating 'Positions' and some of the others do have links titled 'Issues' but either there is too much information and you NEED to search -- but there's no search provided -- or there is too little information.

Only big blaring pictures and SIGN UP and DONATE and SUPPORT. No thank you. If I can't find info on what you're selling, I won't buy.

Bush and Carson limit their anti-Biblical 'prolife' stance to defunding Planned Parenthood. They don't seem to advocate legislation on abortion. The others seem to support such legislation, but all are kinda lukewarm, except those who claim life begins at conception (with clearly NO knowledge of Scripture, esp. Exo 21:22).

If they are this incompetent and rude with their websites and lack of knowing Scripture though claiming to support it, how much more incompetent and rude are they with respect to ruling a country?


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I think Trump is going to win. It wasn't very nice of him to make fun of McCain for being in the war and getting scarred up. Trump doesn't even know what it's like to be on a battlefield.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /30670799/

On that note I am not sure who I would vote for given the opportunity since I am not familiar with the majority of the candidates and their nuances (except Huckabee, Bush and Trump).


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I want my country to have a border that is enforced. Watching the Muzzie hordes pouring into Europe should be a wake up call to the West. If that doesn't wake us up, nothing will. I want my country to have jobs, not have its industry and manufacturing outsourced to every other country in the world. Trump is the only person running who would even attempt to rectify these two problems. I could care less what he thinks about abortion or whether he is a "true" Christian. I could care less whether he is an asshole or the sweetest little cupcake on earth. I could care less whether he labelled all the women folk in my family as "pigs." Border security and stopping the total implosion of the US economy is all that matters to me. Call me a rube, but I think that patty cake in America is over. We need a real son-of-bitch who knows how to fight and bust knee caps to keep this country from sinking like a stone. And when the USA goes under, the whole world will go under.


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If I had to vote, I'd probably go for Rand Paul, but to be honest, I don't believe any of these people would do what they say they would if they got elected.

America is on its last leg. We're living on borrowed time and financial debt. There is no fixing that. Only God can fix this nation. Vote for God.

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If I had to vote, I'd probably go for Rand Paul, but to be honest, I don't believe any of these people would do what they say they would if they got elected.

America is on its last leg. We're living on borrowed time and financial debt. There is no fixing that. Only God can fix this nation. Vote for God.

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You can't trust anyone 100%, not even yourself. Hell, yourself especially. Voting for God is for the voting booth inside your soul. Voting in a national election is different. Perfect God is not on that ballot. We're voting for men. Sloppy, sinful, imperfect men. I think you really have to look at what the country really needs, and determine who is addressing that, and whether they are simply pandering (which is the status quo in America) or whether they believe it themselves. Ultimately, short of a dictatorship, none of them will be able to fulfill 100% of their promises. That's why I limit my expectations to only two issues: the border and the economy. If we cannot get those two things under control, then a fascist dictatorship is right around the corner. That much is certain. America is too broke and too Balkanized at this point for there to be any other direction for us. If this election does not sort those two issues out, then the next hope we will have is for our very own Julius Caesar in order to save us from our very own Joseph Stalin or Hitler.

Do you see the students protesting "free speech" on the news yesterday? Thousands of them. Like I said in my earlier post, patty cake in America is over.

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Thank you for posting this. I don't understand what you meant by the reddened items. If you're in the mood, would you elaborate? Thank you for your time!

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That's why I limit my expectations to only two issues: the border and the economy. If we cannot get those two things under control, then a fascist dictatorship is right around the corner. That much is certain. America is too broke and too Balkanized at this point for there to be any other direction for us. If this election does not sort those two issues out, then the next hope we will have is for our very own Julius Caesar in order to save us from our very own Joseph Stalin or Hitler.

Do you see the students protesting "free speech" on the news yesterday? Thousands of them. Like I said in my earlier post, patty cake in America is over.


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Hi. I will respond later tonight if I can. Not enough time at present.

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That's why I limit my expectations to only two issues: the border and the economy


I agree, these are the two most important issues for America's immediate future. We need to lock down the border, switch to a flat fixed consumer tax and dismantle the social programs (we need to be tapered off of social security completely). Then we need to ditch the Federal Reserve.

But I don't see any candidate doing that. What was Romney's solution for Obamacare? Romney care. They just want to exchange socialized commerce for socialized commerce. Its the coke-pepsi challenge of socialism.

To be honest, I really don't know much about any candidates' economic or border stance. I know Rand is pretty libertarian, and I like that, but I don't know if I believe a word he say.

I think Trump will say just about anything for the spotlight, I mean he was a democratic up until 2009. Why the sudden change?

Carson, not too sure about him. He's said things about guns (like restricting rights) in the past that I don't like.

Until I learn more, it looks like Rand for me. I like his dad better though.

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I agree, these are the two most important issues for America's immediate future. We need to lock down the border, switch to a flat fixed consumer tax and dismantle the social programs (we need to be tapered off of social security completely). Then we need to ditch the Federal Reserve.

Dismantling all the social programs would be ideal, however, a simple ON/OFF switch can not be applied to them without a gross injustice being done to millions of our people. Take Social Security, many millions of people have paid into it for the majority of their working lives. They are owed this service in their retirement years. They are depending on it, and depending on it legitimately because they had no choice their entire working lives whether to contribute to it. Its not their fault that the government used it as a slush fund for all these decades. SS would have to be phased out slowly, with at least a couple of generations being grandfathered in. And those who participated for a decade or less being given a one time payment to "buy them out" so to speak. But at this point, talking about a complete burial of the New Deal is premature. The Boomers are going to be around for another 25+ years, there's a lot of them, they vote, and they will not take kindly to their SS being ripped from them. I could talk about other programs but time constrains. Bottom line is, you gotta start somewhere, and these programs are not the place to start. Concerning the FED. I agree 100%. And many of our founding fathers warned us repeatedly about having a Central Bank. But A. Hamilton gave us one anyway. Fortunately, it failed, was replaced with another, and A. Jackson did away with it by not renewing its charter. Famously, Jackson said," The Bank is trying to kill me--but I will kill it!" (lol, that always cracked me up.) Lincoln avoided the bankers with his green back dollars but after his demise, those were scrapped too. Sadly, W. Wilson, another do-gooder religious type, gave us the Federal Reserve while America was asleep and we've been slaves to it ever since. Even sadder, doing away with the Fed is even more untouchable than social programs. They'll let Ron Paul squawk about it because he is not powerful or effective, but let a Speaker of the House or, egad, a sitting president discuss ending the Fed? Well, they probably won't live too long. Some people speculate that it was executive order 11110 that got Kennedy served up like a Christmas turkey in downtown Dallas. I think JFK's assassination was more complicated than that, but trying to return America's monetary policy back to its rightful place, the US treasury, surely didn't make him any new friends before he passed. Whoever gets rid of the Fed, if its ever gotten rid of, will have to get all their ducks in a row first, then do it with stealth. You can't announce something like that before the fact or even run a campaign based on that idea. This is war. You gotta pull that particular rug out from under them before they know what hits them.
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But I don't see any candidate doing that. What was Romney's solution for Obamacare? Romney care. They just want to exchange socialized commerce for socialized commerce. Its the coke-pepsi challenge of socialism.

Well, now you're getting to the nub of the matter. The current and last Republican controlled congresses have shown without out a doubt, to anyone who cares to look, that the two party system has become a UNI-party system. There's a handful in both parties that actually have some integrity, but most of them get paid to vote "yes" or paid to vote "no" and that's all that really concerns them: leaving office much richer than when they entered. Just look up the net worth of many of our ex congress people before they entered office compared to when they left. Considering that the job doesn't pay that much, relatively speaking, and they have to maintain two residences, its astounding how rich most of them are when they come out. Just remember, with all the lobbyists up yonder on Capitol Hill, the political class can get paid to vote either "yes" or "no" any day of the week. Then, every two or four years they have to "explain" their positions to their constituencies back home with some mealy mouth speech, usually wrapping themselves in the flag while advocating the benefits of clean air, clean water, children, and apple pie. Its so sickening. lol. Its hard for me to stay in fellowship with God while paying attention to them. Unfortunately, I was born to look. lol

Concerning Romney, all I can say is, no one will ever convince me he didn't throw that election. Trump has echoed this sentiment in recent months two or three times as well, which, for a presidential candidate is simply astounding.


To be honest, I really don't know much about any candidates' economic or border stance. I know Rand is pretty libertarian, and I like that, but I don't know if I believe a word he say.

I think Trump will say just about anything for the spotlight, I mean he was a democratic up until 2009. Why the sudden change?

Concerning the border. If Trump hadn't made it one of the major focuses of his campaign, nobody else would hardly be talking about it at all. All the other candidates, while distancing themselves from Trump, are trying to ape his border stance as much as their big donors will allow them to, yet without committing themselves too much. Even Jeb Bush, who infamously called illegal immigration an "act of love" several months back, has now back pedaled a bit.

All I will offer to say about Rand is that he is not his father, except in one way: they both lack the charisma and smarts to ever be effective in office as a president, let alone get elected to it.

Trump has no need of the spot light for the spot light's sake. He's been in it for over 30 years. I'm pretty sure the "new" has worn off. He's a professional at getting media attention now, not some doe eyed young rock star. People pay Trump millions of dollars just to put his name on their buildings whether he built them or not. That's a master brander, not the work of a rising star trying to get more face time. Trump knows what he's doing. He is saving millions of dollars in political advertising by being a showman. Every news network makes oodles of money by having him on their program. So, other than the price of his jet fuel, he has spent next to nothing to get exposure for his message. That's smart. Being media savvy is not a negative in this day and age for anyone doing business or running for office; in fact, its essential. And love him or hate him, he's the best at it. Don't know how old you are, but Reagan, in his own way, had the ability to use the press to talk over the media talking heads and directly to the people. Reagan's showmanship was part of what made him such an effective president. Now personality wise, Trump is about as far removed from Reagan as possible, but he is probably better at doing this kind of thing than even Reagan was. Reagan didn't have YT and Twitter. lol

Concerning Trump's political associations. Nobody in New York City gets to do business on a grand scale without giving money to the democrat party. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he's had to pay the Mafia off too. I mean, really, in that kind of political environment, what's the difference?

Trump has changed a few of his positions down through the years, but all in all, he's remained remarkably consistent. I've changed my positions more in the last 30 years than he has. Just go look at footage of him on Oprah from the 80s. Youtube it. He's basically the same guy he's always been.


Carson, not too sure about him. He's said things about guns (like restricting rights) in the past that I don't like.

Until I learn more, it looks like Rand for me. I like his dad better though.[/quote]

I'm going to be polite and not comment on Carson, except to say, he's not what I'm looking for. And again, we agree about Rand.

We are in a horrible scenario in this country if we are patriotic. The deck is stacked against American values in America. The socialists, commies, satanists and bed wetters of all varieties have seen to that. In order for someone representing the best interests of this country to get elected and be effective, they will have to be a fighter. Someone not afraid to scrap and get their hands dirty. The last time we got a boy scout we were stuck with Jimmy Carter. Religion is poison. Religion has a sister called Political Correctness. Those gals both worship the Devil.

But everything I'm addressing is just the mechanics of how this all plays out on a human level. Ultimately, according to your original post, we should vote for God, whether it is an election year or not. The current calamity in this country is our own damn fault. And I'm talking about Christians. The churches in this country have gone full blown apostate in my life time. We, as a group, are not worth our salt. If we were, we wouldn't be in this mess. God only knows how few of us are actually holding this thing together with our positive volition towards Him. Some days, I feel like Abraham asking, "If there's only this many (believers) will you destroy the city?"

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Lol, yeah I guess Trump is the only one there with enough power and influence to really show any level of blunt honesty.

Thanks for the write up, I found it interesting.

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Thank you for posting this. I don't understand what you meant by the reddened items. If you're in the mood, would you elaborate? Thank you for your time!

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That's why I limit my expectations to only two issues: the border and the economy. If we cannot get those two things under control, then a fascist dictatorship is right around the corner. That much is certain. America is too broke and too Balkanized at this point for there to be any other direction for us. If this election does not sort those two issues out, then the next hope we will have is for our very own Julius Caesar in order to save us from our very own Joseph Stalin or Hitler.

Do you see the students protesting "free speech" on the news yesterday? Thousands of them. Like I said in my earlier post, patty cake in America is over.


A border that is enforceable is key to any nation's sovereignty. Without a border, what is a nation anyway? National borders are only in part an imaginary line that power brokers draw on maps. The border of a nation state is that place where a common language(s), a common culture (or race), a common set of laws, governing body ENDS. The imaginary line is a reflection of these greater truths about a nation's limits, as defined by its people and where they happen to be located. At some point, geographically speaking, one country ends and, therefore, another begins.

But the imaginary line, though it is not found in nature, is important nonetheless. Its like the door of your house, protecting your privacy, your property, and your way of life. The door of your house is not found in nature either. But you and I will always go to the trouble to buy one or build one. Now, to continue this analogy, who do you let into your house? Who do you open the door to? Those who will respect you and the laws of your house or those who don't? How do you feel about someone who breaks into your house?

The situation is the same in our country. We have millions of people coming here, illegally, undocumented, who, at best are coming here to make $8 dollars an hour. Not to assimilate, but to make $8 dollars an hour. Not because they are in love with the Constitution, but to make $8 dollars an hour. That is no basis for letting anyone into your country legally, let alone illegally. And that is a best case scenario. Worst case scenario ranges anywhere from getting on some generous welfare program at tax payer expense all the way to terrorism and crime. Now, in fairness to the $8 dollar an hour people. If I were them, I would try to do the same thing. Hell yeah I'd try to get out of Honduras or Mexico to come here as fast as I could. I really can't argue with their goal at all. And many of them are fine, hard working people, who will no doubt contribute something to our country in terms of labor and tax revenue without committing violent crimes.

Yet, even when these relatively honest folks pour over the border in the millions(11 million is extremely low balling it, more like 20 to 30 million) it takes a toll on our sovereignty because they were not enthralled with love for this country. They were enthralled with not having to eat dirt anymore. This country's government is supposed to be the Constitution, not the desire to make $8 dollars an hour. Moreover, we do not make any attempt to get them to assimilate when they get here. Rather, we bend over backwards to make them feel right at home. Home, meaning that socialist shit hole banana republic they just fled from. They are not receiving lessons in the Constitution. They are not made to feel like they should speak English in public. They are made to feel like they are owed something for nothing because they are (probably) dark skinned. The socialist/commie/bed wetters have really done a number on this country, hopelessly dividing us along racial/ethnic lines. Everyone who gets here illegally suddenly discover that they have "grievance" too. That their new home is a hotbed of racism, inequality, and all that other class warfare filth. This is not a racial issue for me. If Japan were about to sink into the ocean, and millions of Japanese needed somewhere to go, I'd gladly welcome them here because, by and large, the Japanese people love American style freedom. And the millions of Irish, Germans, and Poles who came here in 19th century, even if they were doing it just to escape famine, warfare, or religious persecution in their native countries, once they got here---we demanded that they speak the language and follow our laws. Half the time we didn't treat them too well because of our own bigotry, but nevertheless, by the 2nd generation these immigrant families assimilated, and took part in our country. That is not what is happening today. And its more our fault than the illegals. They're just doing what they think they need to do to survive on a very basic level. We, on the other hand, are bending over with a "kick me" sign on our backs. Socialist/commie ideas have infiltrated our country, and they make us stupid at best, suicidal at worst.

But this is only the beginning of what is wrong with completely wide open borders. It is estimated that there are 93 million people out of work in this country. Staggering. Recently, it was reported that the unemployment rate is 5%. Utter nonsense. Look into it yourself, I'm not a math guy, nor do I have time to crunch the numbers here in this post. But it is much, much more than 5%. We don't see soup lines because of welfare, food stamps, etc. Illegal aliens are taking many of the jobs that are left because they work very cheap, often below board, where employers don't have to pay much to them or bother with the money and paperwork towards the government. Not only that, but all this cheap labor drives down the wages of all low skilled or no skilled working people in this country. Supply and demand. When our people are struggling it is morally reprehensible to dilute the labor pool even further. Of course, I hear people say, Americans won't do the kinds of jobs illegals do. But if the wages weren't already depressed by the superabundance of cheap illegal labor, there are many, many jobless Americans who would pick grapes for $10 dollars an hour. And they wouldn't be living in some little artificial mud hut that some company throws up for the illegals to bake alive in, 10 to 15 a trailer. It is inhumane to them, its criminal towards our own citizens. Democrats love the illegals because it means more voters(they vote too,ya know) they can get onto their socialist/commie plantation. Republicans love the illegals because it provides more cheap labor to their big donors. The American people and the American economy suffer from stagnant wages and displacement. The illegals are caught in the middle, and they get used and abused. Its bad business all the way around.

Last but not least, illegal immigration effects our national security. I am not going to elaborate on this because it should be obvious to anyone who is paying attention that we have major enemies and these are dangerous times. Any country that wanted to get a dozen suitcase nukes to go off in a dozen American cities, just needs to get to Mexico, then pay a coyote several hundred dollars to get them across the border.

And drugs. Did I mention drugs? lol. Really, I could go on and on and still not due this subject justice. If our nation were a cell, we are without a cell wall. We must rebuild that wall or let dangerous elements continue to pour inside.

Balkanization, or Balkanisation, is a geopolitical term, originally used to describe the process of fragmentation or division of a region or state into smaller regions or states that are often hostile or uncooperative with one another.


America has never been more divided. The Democrat party of today is not what it used to be. They are open socialist commies today. And, to take down this country, they want to further divide it. The open border plays into that. You could have hundreds of ethnic minorities from all over the earth come here for the right reasons, to assimilate and be a part of America, and it wouldn't be a problem. But that is not what is happening. We are starting to look like Babylon right after God confused everyone's tongues. That is part of the commie agenda. Thousands of students, of all racial/ethnic backgrounds are protesting all over this country that "freedom of speech" is racially insensitive. Just let that sink in. Everywhere you go and every walk of life in this country is divided. Men vs women. Black vs white vs brown vs yellow. The commies call it multiculturalism. That's code for "death of American culture."

The Republicans are not much better these days either. But that is too lengthy a subject to go into at this time.

Basically, if the economy were to implode tomorrow, and people's money were worthless, would the United States continue in its present form? I seriously doubt it. What's to hold it together besides its dollars? A unifying culture? A love of the Constitution by the majority of its people? A common language? A common God? Don't make me laugh. None of those things apply today. This country would come apart at the seems so fast it would make our heads spin. Only a strong man, a dictator, could keep it together. Think Soviet era Yugoslavia.

Could the economy implode and our currency become worthless? Well, what if the petro dollar came to an end? You know, Saddam Hussein was trying to sell oil in currency other than dollars. That probably had a lot to do with our going over there. Forget the window dressing the politicians and the press give us. Kennedy tried to rectify this but didn't live to see it done. Nixon created the petro dollar to give our fiat currency worth. If you can only trade oil in dollars, well, dollars will always be worth something. Its all a house of cards and could come apart at any time and its been that way for years. Only God's grace has kept this nation afloat, despite our idiocy. But even if it starts to get better, we've dug ourselves so deep into the pit, it will necessarily have to get much worse before it gets better. Life saving operations are messy, dangerous, and still, often fatal. Interesting days lie ahead.

I have run out of time. I could have elaborated and fleshed out my points much further. But I'm done tonight. If you want to rehash or debate it later, I'm game.

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One more quick note. Do you all see what's happening in Europe? Paris? The Muslims are coming. Don't you doubt it for a second. And the commie traitors that have both infiltrated the West and been home grown in the West are eager to bring that mayhem, death, and destruction over here. A sprinkle of Muslims is acceptable. But en mass, they bring rape, murder, terrorism, and revolution. Of course, the commies love that. Divide and conquer, baby. Today its Paris. Down the road, it will be New Orleans.

http://www.fox8live.com/story/30428985/ ... ew-orleans

No more patty cake, America. You've entertained yourself into a coma. Wake up call is coming.

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Lol, I like you. You just cut straight to the issue.

Balkanization? Yes, America is very divided, and dare I say by design? Take the abortion (non)issue for example. Few atheists/agnostics will ever vote Republican simply because a hand full of religionists hypnotized the American church community into believing the Bible teaches life at conception. On the flip side, few christians will ever vote for anyone who is pro-choice. Thats division right there, a major one. For so many people, the pro-life vs pro-choice issue is a deal breaker.

When our economy does fail (maybe when the Stock Market crashes again), countries like Russia, China, and Iran will be ready to take the opportunity to trade oil in BRICS currencies. All the while, America will have no choice other than to pay our debt with our own resources. Soon we will be the 3rd world sweatshop nation.

You know, the Soviet Union is back as of January 1, 2015, right? Only this time they call it the Eurasian Economic Union. Putin has been busy.

I woke up years ago and watched as America degenerated. Our current situation and what is coming is no surprise to me, but I really feel for those with their heads firmly planted in the sand. They're in for a real shocker.

Look at what just happened today in France...120 dead in a terrorist attack! Gee, do you think that maybe this whole time, Europe has been importing their own enemies....a trojan horse?

Sheeple are stupid, politicians, not so much. 'Create the problem to justify your own solution.' That's what I see happening, and its been going on for decades.

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Lol, I like you. You just cut straight to the issue.

No, I don't like to faff about. lol


Balkanization? Yes, America is very divided, and dare I say by design? Take the abortion (non)issue for example. Few atheists/agnostics will ever vote Republican simply because a hand full of religionists hypnotized the American church community into believing the Bible teaches life at conception. On the flip side, few christians will ever vote for anyone who is pro-choice. Thats division right there, a major one. For so many people, the pro-life vs pro-choice issue is a deal breaker.

Oh yes. It is by design. Just think how the Dems used the Civil rights issues to capture the black vote, when the blacks had traditionally been Republican since the Civil War. Lyndon Johnson famously said, "Those niggers will be voting Democrat for the next 200 years." What was the Republican response? Nixon developed the Southern Strategy, appealing to white racists in the South. Had the Republicans in the last 40 years appealed to all ethnic groups in the country by pushing the benefits of liberty as found in the Constitution, they would have had this thing sewn up forever. But the Republicans pander to the the conservative racist "moral majority" crowd. The Dems are currently doing the same with their new religious offering: gay marriage. Everyone is hopelessly divided. Everyone is pandered to. Everyone wants to be pandered to. Never is there an appeal for true divine establishment principles. If there is, its just a few bits of red meat like being pro or con regarding gun control. That makes both sides froth. However, gun control should not be an issue at all. If the Constitution is the law of the land (and I very seriously doubt that at present) then there is no need to discuss gun confiscation. But Hillary sure seems to delight bringing up the subject these days. So the Constitution is not the issue anymore. What is the issue is who is going to be "in power." And for those in power, how shall they consolidate?

When our economy does fail (maybe when the Stock Market crashes again), countries like Russia, China, and Iran will be ready to take the opportunity to trade oil in BRICS currencies. All the while, America will have no choice other than to pay our debt with our own resources. Soon we will be the 3rd world sweatshop nation.

Yes. And I think they want more than our resources. They want it all. Especially our liberties. I don't know if Antichrist's time is around the corner or not. But if it is, the US Bill of Rights must fall. For Communist/Socialists to form their world empire, the bill of rights must fall. Yes, America is standing neck deep in a lake of shit, but the rest of the world is standing on our shoulders. I like what the musician Leonard Cohen said about it. He said, "You may not like America. But you will hate what comes after America."

You know, the Soviet Union is back as of January 1, 2015, right? Only this time they call it the Eurasian Economic Union. Putin has been busy.

Yes, I know. But I think Putin is the least of our problems. Our primary problem is stopping the bleed. Then we can contemplate other things. Once enough Muzzies get here, and we start having our own Paris style bombings, there will be an attempt for martial law. In order to protect us? No. In order to strip us of our bill of rights? Yes. Especially our right to bear arms. Once we are stripped of our weapons, true consolidation can begin.

I woke up years ago and watched as America degenerated. Our current situation and what is coming is no surprise to me, but I really feel for those with their heads firmly planted in the sand. They're in for a real shocker.

I don't feel sorry for them or myself. We are always making our choices and God is always sorting us out.

Look at what just happened today in France...120 dead in a terrorist attack! Gee, do you think that maybe this whole time, Europe has been importing their own enemies....a trojan horse?

I think, we have been infiltrated from within and from without. Not just us, but the entire West. The Hun is no longer at the gate. He is inside the gate because our governments are letting him inside. Because the commies love the Hun? No, not at all. But the he is useful to them. Once the Hun causes his havoc, the commies/socialists/satanists can declare martial law and consolidate. Keep your eye on Europe, it will foretell what is coming for us. It is funny you used the word "Trojan Horse" because Trump also uses that term. Trump knows a lot more than what he can say, in my opinion. If he said outright what he knows, he would have an unfortunate plane crash. I love how he keeps calling our leaders "incompetent." That is very, very, charitable of him. lol


Sheeple are stupid, politicians, not so much. 'Create the problem to justify your own solution.' That's what I see happening, and its been going on for decades.

Eh, we are all sheep you know. Sheep and goats. Not much we can do about that. And as such, we need leaders. If they are not pro God, they must at least be pro America. Trump, even if he is the biggest asshole on earth, is pro America. I have no idea where he really stands on God, and really, its none of my business. He is pro America and pro Jew, and that is enough for me. When you start peeling back the layers of the bullshit-onion that passes for "information" in this country, you inevitably get sidetracked by some kind of Commie, Nazi, or Jew hater---or a combination of the three. Trump, in this regard, is the rarest of diamonds.

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Here's a video of Frenchmen protesting, calling for expulsion of Muslims in wake of yesterday's brutality in Paris. These guys are surrounded and outnumbered by an angry mob of what looks like traditional Gaelic French people. They are not angry with the Muslims, they are angry with these protesters! The police are present, and if you bump it up to the 3:30 mark, you can see the police turn on the protesters to arrest them. The crowd of liberals goes wild! Arrest the racists!

Commies/Socialists and their useful idiots, the acolytes who worship at the alter of Liberalism, are destroying France as I write this. Muslims are going to Muslim. Nothing we can do about that. But it is our quislings who will kill us. Seriously, liberalism is a religion. The death of the West is the body on its alter.

Goodbye France. Nice knowing you. You can get a burial plot next to Sweden.

Note: for some reason it will not let me insert the video. If you are interested, click the link.

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Short but sweet. Look what German President Angela Merkel thinks of her flag. Is it any wonder Germany is being invaded and overrun?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rcc7xgD2dM

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Here however, Donald Trump says this about Edward Snowden: "this guy's a bad guy. And you know, there is still a thing called execution."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64xBtImXfmM

What?! In my opinion Edward Snowden isn't the bad guy, he's an American Citizen. The NSA is performing illegal practices that are violating PRIVACY of everyone (even others who aren't located in the U.S. such as myself which I take personal offense to). Not only that, on some devices they are implanting back doors which are accessible by third parties who invest enough time to get into them. And of course there was the whole debacle that the NSA wanted to modify SSL certificates to add a back door... that would void the whole purpose of them as it would allow the NSA *and* anyone who could figure out getting into the back door.

The next common response (which is outlined in that interview) is: "if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear" to which Snowden equates to: "you don't care about freedom of speech because you have nothing to say". The point isn't that you've got nothing to hide (and most people making that statement don't realize just how much of their data is being intercepted), the point is that your privacy and data are being compromised. Likewise would any sane person say they don't care about their freedom because they have nothing to say? No. So why is not having anything to hide a license for ALL of your personal communications to be intercepted and cataloged.

Many politicians (including Hilary Clinton and Trump) along with dummies will all shout "it's for fighting terrorism". Look, the majority of the NSA programs and exploits have NOTHING to do with fighting terrorism--some are but 90% are not--, and are actually ineffective at doing so once you go through the documents and mechanisms. But the people making this argument don't understand computers or electronics (it's extremely technical, especially when you get into protocols like IPsec or metadata-- do you think Donald Trump knows what metadata is? Absolutely not). It's not so much for fighting terrorism as it is to spy on *everyone*. And that's idiotic.

The fact that Trump shoots down Edward Snowden and John McCain means nobody should support him. He's effectively spitting on freedom and the military in two single swoops.


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Hupostasis has a good point. Snowden should be applauded for his actions, not treated like public enemy #1.

That scratches Trump off my list.

I don't believe in sacrificing rights for security. That's what insurance companies are about: payment for what may or may not happen.

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Okay, there I differ. Snowden is a traitor, and he's even a worse traitor because he's making money and fame from it. He sold our info to the Russians. Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm not a Trump fan, but if Trump condemns Snowden, that's proper.

If Snowden was in my line of sight and I had a loaded gun in my hands, I would be tempted to do yet another wrong.


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Here however, Donald Trump says this about Edward Snowden: "this guy's a bad guy. And you know, there is still a thing called execution."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64xBtImXfmM

What?! In my opinion Edward Snowden isn't the bad guy, he's an American Citizen. The NSA is performing illegal practices that are violating PRIVACY of everyone (even others who aren't located in the U.S. such as myself which I take personal offense to). Not only that, on some devices they are implanting back doors which are accessible by third parties who invest enough time to get into them. And of course there was the whole debacle that the NSA wanted to modify SSL certificates to add a back door... that would void the whole purpose of them as it would allow the NSA *and* anyone who could figure out getting into the back door.

The next common response (which is outlined in that interview) is: "if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear" to which Snowden equates to: "you don't care about freedom of speech because you have nothing to say". The point isn't that you've got nothing to hide (and most people making that statement don't realize just how much of their data is being intercepted), the point is that your privacy and data are being compromised. Likewise would any sane person say they don't care about their freedom because they have nothing to say? No. So why is not having anything to hide a license for ALL of your personal communications to be intercepted and cataloged.

Many politicians (including Hilary Clinton and Trump) along with dummies will all shout "it's for fighting terrorism". Look, the majority of the NSA programs and exploits have NOTHING to do with fighting terrorism--some are but 90% are not--, and are actually ineffective at doing so once you go through the documents and mechanisms. But the people making this argument don't understand computers or electronics (it's extremely technical, especially when you get into protocols like IPsec or metadata-- do you think Donald Trump knows what metadata is? Absolutely not). It's not so much for fighting terrorism as it is to spy on *everyone*. And that's idiotic.

The fact that Trump shoots down Edward Snowden and John McCain means nobody should support him. He's effectively spitting on freedom and the military in two single swoops.


That's just my opinion, of course.


Trump is someone who believes that traitors to our country should be executed and he is vocal about it. That is Trump's knee jerk reaction at all times. I like that about him. I can remember no one, in my life time, who has held a high political office that has advocated forcefully for the execution of traitors. Today we give them a pop sickle, an air conditioned cell, and a tv. Maybe even a free sex change if they're in the mood. And occasionally, if we're feeling particularly indignant, we might take away their pop sickle.

Now, is Snowden a traitor? Some people think he is a psyop, you know, an example of how we Americans should not feel about government snooping. Look what kind of person you are if you dislike them spying on you? Why, if you don't like it, you are a traitor! You might as well defect. This was what Pravda, er, I mean, our media was saying repeatedly when Snowden came to light. Snowden bad, privacy bad, patriotism good---that was the meme. (I don't personally subscribe to this theory, but I understand why some people do.) Now, personally, Snowden didn't tell me anything I didn't already know. I found out about the Carnivore program circa 1999-2000 and knew at that moment that no phone call will ever be 100% private ever again. Just like I have to assume, nowadays, that whenever I am in an elevator, in a store, on the roadways, in a school, in a bank, a workplace, hospital, etc, etc, I am not free from being recorded. Do I like it? Don't get me started. I long for 1978 like nobody's business. I loathe cell phones too, and they are becoming increasingly two way spying devices. Hell, I even got electrical tape covering the lens on my laptop and across the mic. I could go on, but you get my point. There is very little privacy these days and that is a difficult genie to get back in the bottle. That is the world we live in. I would love to see anyone's plan for turning back the clock on that. I'm definitely on board. I'm not holding my breathe though.

No, I doubt Trump knows what "metadata" is. I also doubt he knows as much as I do about how to properly care for begonias if you bring them indoors for the winter. But I tell you this, Jeb Bush knows what "metadata" is, if you get my drift. If not, I'm not going to spell it out.

Yeah, Trump made a forced error when he commented on McCain. But it didn't hurt him, may even have helped him, because A LOT of people are suspicious of McCain. Nor am I so sure he is the hero he's made out to be. There's plenty of information on that out there if you care to look at it. I'm not going to delve into that here either. But even if he is a genuine war hero, he has been a disaster for the country ever since. I could list many reasons, but the one that still sticks in my craw is when, during the heat of the 08 contest, McCain "took a week off from the election" to sort out the financial crisis on Capitol Hill. I never will forget turning to my gf and saying, in complete shock: "He just threw the election." Like Romney after him, he choked. And look who McCain turned us over to. You may disagree with this assessment, many people do, but I have never seen a candidate for president suspend his campaign for a week to "go save the country." McCain actually used the word "suspend." It boggles the mind.

In brief, my support for Trump is based on two things, and only two things, as I listed in my original post and subsequent posts. Those two items are all that matter to me in this election. Do other things matter to me, including the NSA spying and our personal privacy? Yes. That's why I'm on this forum. But the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. And at this point in time, I'm only concerned about the first two steps in that journey. If those two steps are not taken, there is no journey---we are dead in the water. You gotta start right to end right. If we start right, we can worry about ending right in the next round.

We probably will never see eye to eye on these things. Thanks for arguing with me though. :mrgreen:

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Okay, there I differ. Snowden is a traitor, and he's even a worse traitor because he's making money and fame from it. He sold our info to the Russians. Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm not a Trump fan, but if Trump condemns Snowden, that's proper.

If Snowden was in my line of sight and I had a loaded gun in my hands, I would be tempted to do yet another wrong.


I don't think Snowden would be the first to have sold America out to our enemies. At least now we know that big brother is indeed watching us for sure.

On that note, I think I'll withdraw from this conversation before I step on some toes (sometimes its better to be silent than frank).

Politics is for politicians, and I don't vote for politicians. Call me a nut-job conspiracy theorist if y'all want, but I don't believe our votes counts any more (electoral college, anyone?).

America is in hospice. It's in God's hands now.

Like I said before, this whole situation needs to be simplified. I don't know that America would or should survive simplification.

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Okay, there I differ. Snowden is a traitor, and he's even a worse traitor because he's making money and fame from it. He sold our info to the Russians. Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm not a Trump fan, but if Trump condemns Snowden, that's proper.

If Snowden was in my line of sight and I had a loaded gun in my hands, I would be tempted to do yet another wrong.


Snowden told nobody anything new about government data collection. The information has been out there for a LONG time, to anyone who cared to look. But yes, I agree with you. If he sold info to the Ruskies, he should be executed. But don't worry about getting your hands dirty. God will provide. :grin:

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Okay, there I differ. Snowden is a traitor, and he's even a worse traitor because he's making money and fame from it. He sold our info to the Russians. Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm not a Trump fan, but if Trump condemns Snowden, that's proper.

If Snowden was in my line of sight and I had a loaded gun in my hands, I would be tempted to do yet another wrong.


I don't think Snowden would be the first to have sold America out to our enemies. At least now we know that big brother is indeed watching us for sure.

On that note, I think I'll withdraw from this conversation before I step on some toes (sometimes its better to be silent than frank).

Politics is for politicians, and I don't vote for politicians. Call me a nut-job conspiracy theorist if y'all want, but I don't believe our votes counts any more (electoral college, anyone?).

America is in hospice. It's in God's hands now.

Like I said before, this whole situation needs to be simplified. I don't know that America would or should survive simplification.


Pray, vote, then don't worry about it. God will take care of us, whether in this life or the next. Goodnight.

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Okay, there I differ. Snowden is a traitor, and he's even a worse traitor because he's making money and fame from it. He sold our info to the Russians. Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm not a Trump fan, but if Trump condemns Snowden, that's proper.

If Snowden was in my line of sight and I had a loaded gun in my hands, I would be tempted to do yet another wrong.


Well the U.S. is going things it shouldn't be doing (and if they want to do it, it should be public). As I mentioned they're exploiting IPsec, it's broken out into more detail here (be warned if you're unfamiliar with networking protocols and technologies it may be harder to understand):
https://nohats.ca/wordpress/blog/2014/1 ... -just-yet/

I quote from the page:
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So your IPsec VPN is getting ownedbecause your VPN gateway got owned! Run your VPN on a dedicated machine, preferably opensource, and lock remote access via ssh down using strong keys and IP filtering.


There is no reason that I should have to employ such workarounds by building a dedicated computer as a firewall with open source software *just because* the AMERICAN spying agencies are compromising all VPN gateways. If the American Government wants to spy, they can spy on their own people and businesses-- but *not me*. And since they are compromising certain data, I take offense.

If the U.S. wants to play games with IPsec that violates privacy outside of their country, all of those pages should be publicly printed and not stuck with "CONFIDENTIAL".

I don't believe Edward Snowden sold anything to the Russians; if he did all of us in other countries wouldn't be ticked about the NSA's practices that are affecting our privacy.

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Well, you're entitled to your opinion of course. And I'm not trying to justify whatever the US has done wrong. But yes he did sell something to the Russians, they don't treat you well, else. He also betrayed American information by giving it out. If he was really such a good guy he could have gone to a Congressman to blow the whistle, it's the LEGAL way to handle governmental abuse.

So I'm sorry, I'd be tempted to shoot him on sight. That doesn't make any US evils he talks about true or untrue; but if true, his evil isn't thus excused. Sorry.


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Okay, now everyone can beat me up, I've decided who I want for the race: Jeb Bush and John Kasich. Jeb, because he's a thinker, slow, even-tempered yet transparent, and I know who he'd have as his advisors. Kasich, because he's fast, almost even-tempered, transparent, and I know who he'd have as advisors.

The advisors are crucial: those guys who've been in the White house with the other two Bushes. I'm a big Dubya fan. To me, he's the greatest Prez who ever lived, and all his entourage I want back in office. Maybe they aren't interested anymore, but I want 'em. This is how to get them.

Kasich is no slouch in military and foreign policy, understands how the political and economics game is played.

Above all, we need PROs in the White House, not amateurs. The Dems have had control for too long, and only PROs know how to Clean House.

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I should probably just leave this thread alone, but whatever.

In the event of a new 9/11 or worse, how likely do you think Jeb would be to try and suspend any portion of the Constitution (Bill of Rights especially) for American citizens?

That's my litmus test. The sky could be falling, and I wouldn't want any of my Bill of Rights overridden if it promised to save my life. America with no Rights is not America.

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Well, all of the candidates would be guilty there. It's actually quite common, happened during WWII and WWI, and during the famous McCarthy era, during Vietnam sometimes, too. There's nothing in the Patriot Act which hasn't been done before, excepting for the technology level.

So you pray, if you think the rights are too restricted due to 'war'.

And honestly, Jeb seems less likely than Donald Trump. The latter thinks he can and should build a Great Wall of China or Maginot Line, as if that will keep out the illegal aliens from coming here. CAN'T. And Jeb was nonplussed when Trump talked like that, in the second debate. So I know he'd not try something like that. So his approach to protecting your privacy would be more moderate than Trump's.

I don't say this to criticize. I'm just thinking out loud. No 'position' is cast in stone.

Anonynomenon wrote:
In the event of a new 9/11 or worse, how likely do you think Jeb would be to try and suspend any portion of the Constitution (Bill of Rights especially) for American citizens?

That's my litmus test. The sky could be falling, and I wouldn't want any of my Bill of Rights overridden if it promised to save my life. America with no Rights is not America.


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That's my point, Eisenhower warned us about the Military-Industrial complex, and I think war has been used in the past to threaten the Constitution maliciously. I don't think its ever been justifiable, but it all depends on what one is willing to compromise.

My view is that America is on the edge. If we give up anymore rights, it will be for our last time. There won't be any coming back. That's why I'm so cautious.

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Well, corporations don't want a war now. So the 'Industrial' side is not willing. So too, the 'military' side. The 'warring' being done is economic. That is China's central tenet, has always been since Mao. Russia is more dicey. The smaller states also dicey, but most of them want goodies, and that's the kind of war we're into now.

Human rights don't matter in any event. So long as we've got our tea and baguette, we'll buy whatever Win10 or other garbage we're told to buy on TV.

But the appearance of human rights and freedom -- which are no threat to anyone military or industrial -- makes good business. As we're seeing now, with the backlash against Win10. Now if you want to claim a conspiracy, there's a place to posit it. Seems like the leaders are out to crash the company. If so or even if not, THAT is the kind of 'war' going on.

Joe Blow's individual freedoms make others wealthy, so will be supported.

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Its not a matter of who we may personally like...

Its a matter of picking the one who can.

Log jams need blasting... things can fly dangerously in all directions for a while before the river opens up. That frightens those who want predictability. Blow it up and let God sort out the pieces. If there is a pivot with enough momentum in God's desire, God will take what is unpredictable and produce a new order that would take His enemies by surprise.

I am voting for the one who can. This is not a time for a sedate cerebral personality. For, we are in a massive street fight from within. I believe its time that we need a Hun who is establishment oriented.

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So who in your opinion, is the "one who can", and why? Please help the readers analyze among the candidates, if you're in the mood? Thank you for your time!

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Its not a matter of who we may personally like...

Its a matter of picking the one who can.

Log jams need blasting... things can fly dangerously in all directions for a while before the river opens up. That frightens those who want predictability. Blow it up and let God sort out the pieces. If there is a pivot with enough momentum in God's desire, God will take what is unpredictable and produce a new order that would take His enemies by surprise.

I am voting for the one who can. This is not a time for a sedate cerebral personality. For, we are in a massive street fight from within. I believe its time that we need a Hun who is establishment oriented.


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The one who can is the one whom both parties fear having in power. There is a real reason for it. He is not a part of their machine.. There is only one who fits that slot. All the others will all be home-team players to varying degrees. Trump is dangerous potentially to them, like stick of dynamite. He is not someone who will pretend to unify. But, is the only means to ever achieve unity if its to be real.

All those who claimed to be unifiers ended up being shown to be delusional. The only way to get any real unity in our current state is to take what we have as the "organized chaos," which is a ongoing log-jam,and blast it. Where the logs go? God will sort it out if its the Lord's will to heal us, or to heal us at least in part at this time.

The way its been going according to the status quo is not going to produce anything good, but only a stronger sense of disunity as it continues its rut. As I see it. Politically incorrect Trump will call out the liars and in some cases expose them. Politically incorrect.. where those who are the trained politicians could not be forceful (nor, truly effective). This is a major war we are in. Not just competition. The other side is not going to lay down if they lose the election. Only someone like Trump can face those opposing and expose them for what they are. They will hate him. But, it will be with authority over them. Not like we have been seeing for years. Trump has trumped the media machine so far. We'll see.

Not saying that I have no doubt that he is going to do it. But, he is the only one that has that potential. He could end up being an anti-Obama. Override the system like Obama has been doing. But, this time, as a means to reverse the damaging holes Obama has blasted out for us to drive through. All the others running, if they won? They would not have the same effectualness in dealing with the losers.

The losers are a major part of the reason we are in such trouble. It will take someone with an ability to let them know he sees through them, and calls them out... to get them to abandon their usual ploys. The media knows that the people will not believe their lies about Trump. That fact is being established every day now. The good he can produce will only last for a season if it happens. Because evil is a like a mutating bacteria. The cure is only temporary. We can have a season of stability before the Lord returns...Only if the Lord sees a remnant warranting such a change. I, for one, am going for it if he is nominated. I see him as the Lord's trump card, being flung before the principalities and powers that have been systematically tearing down our nation, the last bastion of freedom left in the devil's world. His effect could only be good for a season. But, it would indicate there is a remnant is stronger than we have been realizing.

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Genez,

Very good post. We hear every election cycle that "so and so" will leave the country if "so and so" is elected president and nothing ever comes of it, just idle talk. But I think that if Trump gets elected we will see a lot of very high ranking people, both inside and outside of government, flee the country for real. Not because he offends their sensibilities, but because they don't want to go to jail. The Democrat establishment protects the Republican establishment and vice-versa from facing any legal consequences for their actions. Trump is letting them all know, right now and for the last several months, that he is bigger than this calcified country club arrangement the Dems and Repubs have had going for so long. Trump will never say, like George W., that Bill Clinton is like his brother and Hillary is like his sister-in-law. Heads might roll if Trump gets in, and everyone on the inside knows it. Its not even as if Trump will go out of his way to persecute people, its just that when he starts trying to actually clean up the mess---he's going to necessarily uncover a whole lot of corrupt shit that will need addressing. And Trump doesn't care, is not the type to back down: he'll hold his nose and pull the plug, draining the swamp so we can see all the skeletons resting on the bottom. Obama, too, is trying to stay safe after his term is up. That is why he was pushing for Joe Biden to run for so long, not only to safeguard the destructive policies he will leave in his wake, but to protect Obama himself. Also, Obama has already crossed the Clintons several times. You don't cross the Clintons without serious blowback. That's why I'm glad that Trump, if nominated, will have to face Clinton. That puts Obama in a position where he is not as tempted towards election shenanigans.

Of course, if Trump gets elected, the Republicans themselves might try to impeach him the first year. Or worse. lol. But if this is from God, to buy us more time, nothing can stop him.

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Guest, said: >But I think that if Trump gets elected we will see a lot of very high ranking people, both inside and outside of government, flee the country for real. Not because he offends their sensibilities, but because they don't want to go to jail.<

EXACTLY what I have been thinking all along. He will want to destroy icons of liberalism, and expose pseudo conservative corruption... if he can. There will be no more hero worship of those who have been terrible for America's prosperity and personal freedom. It might set a precedent felt around the world.

Can he do it? I believe he will get some done. That "some" will be huge in comparison to everyone else.

All he has to do is to knock down one, or maybe two. And, like seen in the Torah in ancient Israel, having a law that told parents to initiate the execution of recalcitrant sons... many other sons will suddenly wake up and take note, and be probably very nice towards Trump during his terms in office. (of course, Joe Biden will even say he voted for him) ;)

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All he has to do is to knock down one, or maybe two. And, like seen in the Torah in ancient Israel, having a law that told parents to initiate the execution of recalcitrant sons... many other sons will suddenly wake up and take note, and be probably very nice towards Trump during his terms in office. (of course, Joe Biden will even say he voted for him)

Good point. I think we can already see some of this coming to fruition because a few members of the 'cartel' are starting to hedge their bets about Donald, albeit grudgingly. If elected, he may be able to form a coalition, but it will never be universal. Some of these people are die hard and will just lay low, looking for their next angle to take a shot at him. Remember most politicians can improve their own personal position ( finances ) while destroying their own country. (Everybody in the Cosmos has their price.) For DT, his own personal fortunes are tied directly to the country and its infrastructure.

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For DT, his own personal fortunes are tied directly to the country and its infrastructure.

I found it compelling while listening to Colonel Thieme teaching on the vast wealth he supplied David. Supplied before David became king. RBT explained that with such great wealth no one could own David. David was therefore free to rule justly, without owing anyone special favors. That message I listened to just before I learned about Donald Trump running. Chalk it up as just another coincidence in my life with tapes.

On another note: Donald Trump (in the video with him speaking before the Jewish conference) stated that some will not want to vote for him simply because he refuses to take their money....

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On another note: Donald Trump (in the video with him speaking before the Jewish conference) stated that some will not want to vote for him simply because he refuses to take their money....


I thought he handled that beautifully. And that crowd was by no means 100% in his corner. He basically told them that though many of them wouldn't support him, they would still be happy with the job he would do for both America and Israel. He didn't panic or react, just told them the truth. And part of the truth is that some wealthy Jews like to own candidates too. He told them that a few months back, before he was running for office, he was sitting right where they were sitting, looking to influence candidates with contributions. lol. I mean, how more honest can you get, while courting people who are booing you, without being defensive or lashing out? It was unbelievable. lol

All in all, it was my favorite DT speech yet because it was more relaxed. The Jews don't want to hear "rah, rah" and he knew it. So he just flat out told them what was up. He even alluded that he would win the election unless he had an "unfortunate accident." He didn't hold anything back that I could tell. Very honest.

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Here's a video of Trump supporters talking to the press. No matter what you may think of him, Trump has let the proverbial cat out of the bag in this country. For better or worse, things will never be the same. America's great political slumber party is over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovAiScng7vg

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Here's the link with the other video you referred to.


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Here's a Jew defending Trump on CNN. The CNN commentator comes back at him in the most vile antisemitic way. She obviously had to work pretty hard to come up with this "angle" on the situation, yet tries to pass her remarks off as casual and off the cuff. Disgusting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=199&v=dBYAAj0n-Nw

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Yeah, I got to admit he handles the press well. He's controlling the debate! And they don't even know that!

Just go look at the videos that channel produces. Trump is heading each one, either directly or is the topic.


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brainout wrote:
Yeah, I got to admit he handles the press well. He's controlling the debate! And they don't even know that!


Well, I think they are just starting to figure it out. Trump has stolen the narrative away from the media, an unforgivable crime in their eyes, and they are out for blood now. They'll throw anyone under the bus to destroy him, even the Jews! This election is like an unveiling of the power structure in this country for the masses. It hurts the eyes and the head, but as a people, we really need to see it all laid bare. We are a constitutional republic. It is our duty, as citizens, to know what's really going on.

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Which makes Trump the underdog, and virtually guarantees he'll win the election. If somehow he won't be placed on the GOP ticket, I bet money he'll keep running as an independent, and then as a writein he can win.

Mind you, I don't want that. But if the press doesn't calm down, they will find they have just fueled support for the guy, rather than defeated it.


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Which makes Trump the underdog, and virtually guarantees he'll win the election. If somehow he won't be placed on the GOP ticket, I bet money he'll keep running as an independent, and then as a writein he can win.

Mind you, I don't want that. But if the press doesn't calm down, they will find they have just fueled support for the guy, rather than defeated it.


Its bigger than just the press; they are just one tentacle of the octopus. lol. But you're right: everything the press, the GOP establishment, and the administration does to belittle him, only reaffirms to his supporters and to those who are sitting on the fence, that Trump must be the right candidate, because the trust of the general public in those three entities is at an all time low. Again, for me, it only comes down to national sovereignty. I can easily live with a rich carnival barker as president, but I can't tolerate any political hack who wants to hand this country over to a Satanic one world agenda.

Now, on a lighter note. Here's a video of "Darth Trump." It is satire of him, using his own voice and Star Wars footage. It is not pro-Trump by any means, but I laughed until I cried. Have not laughed so hard since I was a kid. Seeing as how you're not a fan, you might get a hoot out of it too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU_Jdts5rL0

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LOLOL the inserted words so DO NOT MATCH the rest of the dialogue!


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Trump against the Machine is like watching when Bob Jones University was against R.B.Thieme. I watch as Trump uses "hells and damns" with the same kind of thrusting of truth in their face. It offends the political legalists to their core.

The phony world which is always being manipulated by principalities and thrones..from both sides of the political aisle, is now having a giant light switch flapped on, and is exposing their nakedness. Nakedness that the people always knew was there.

Its an interesting time in history. Maybe... just maybe. There is a sufficient pivot after all. Ten righteous have been found in the USA. Only ten. But sufficient for the Lord to pull the carpet out from under the Devil and his plan for the USA. I find myself actually enjoying this time. I do pray for Trump without even thinking about it. Its a spiritual reflex reaction. That, just maybe, the Lord's sense of humor is going to make Satan eat crow one more time before He returns. Just maybe.

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