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PostPosted: 18 Sep 2016, 07:15 
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For whatever reason, the majority of my family members are Trump supporters (and they're not even Americans), so this 'Trump mentality' is infectious and consistent. All said family members are very 'pro-white' as well, and are sensitive to anything other than a white majority and "white culture" / including anti-semitism. There is an undeniable connection between white supremacy and Trump supporters; and that's disgusting. I can't stand it so here's my write-up for anyone who has to deal with these people...

First let's identify the three biggest issues with Trump Supporters:
#1 They are self-centered like Donald Trump himself (in their emotional state)
#2 They refuse logic AND IGNORE THE VERY BLATANT AND OBVIOUS PROBLEMS of Donald Trump
#3 They do not change their mind

There is a good (suppressed) Trump documentary about the many issues the man has, and it (rightly) states: "the old Trump and the new Trump, are the same Trump." In other words, it doesn't matter what Trump says now / his past actions (which repeat) show his true nature. A lot of Trump supports don't realize that / as a result he will ALWAYS be operating on HIS self-interest, and not for blue collar workers... Here's the link to the documentary and I highly recommend a watch. I borrowed a lot of the arguments brought up in it and used them below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmNTctI ... IS75qzuzgN


With that in mind, let's go over some common weightless Trump Supporter arguments.

Trump Supporter Argument #1: "Donald Trump will restore the economy"
Donald Trump is anti-capitalist because he wants to "make jobs" (although that's a laugh because he doesn't say WHAT he's going to do) when that is not the government's responsibility. Capitalism must be allowed (through the invisible hand) operate of its own accord. And taxes must be adjusted so that both the rich and private industries find them acceptable: this way the government actually PROFITS and new businesses are encouraged and not gouged. Because Trump is emphasizing he's going to "do business", that means he will encourage the state to meddle with private corporations. Extremely dangerous.

Trump Supporter Argument #2: "Donald Trump speaks the truth"
Donald Trump lies, and lies a lot. It's a big problem especially when the EVIDENCE is shown in front of Donald Trump (or Trump supporters) THEY VEHEMENTLY DENY IT, WHEN IT'S A FACT. Let's go over some of those lies:
A) Donald Trump used ILLEGAL POLISH IMMIGRANTS to fund building Trump tower and many other properties. This not only makes him a hypocrite / but also someone who ABUSES foreign workers and shows HE DOES NOT CARE for the 'blue collar' workers / the poor Polish workers didn't have proper safety regulations. Trump's response is to blame his CONTRACTOR / well Trump, you're supposed to use what's called INTUITION and *fire* the contractors if you're too stupid and blind to see that abused polish immigrants are doing your building for DIRT CHEAP. He knew the whole time since HE VISITED THE BUILDING SITES and would have seen the Polish immigrants but will always deny it. Wilful ignorance?
B) Donald Trump used blanket statements and hired an organization to spread lies at an apartment house on house 100 central park south (1981) that all tenants would be evicted and the apartment torn down. Harassing tenants with LIES??? Finally New York State had to step in and veto Trump!!!
C) Donald Trump used the fake identities 'John Miller' and 'John Barron' to both act as fake spokespeople and use as dummy identities when scamming realestate contractors. This is WELL DOCUMENTED and you can LISTEN TO the recordings / AND YET DONALD TRUMP DENIES IT, when in court he was forced to admit that it was him. Yet-- in the media he continues to deny it back and forth.

Trump Supporter Argument #3: "Donald Trump has the peoples' interest in mind"
Donald Trump uses dishonesty to deliberately CHEAT people only to gain for himself: such as rebuilding the public skating rink at New York Central Park, he wryly told contractors to do it pro bono. So Trump gets paid, contractors don't. Then on the Commodore Hotel (which became Trump's Grand Hyatt), he got an ILLEGAL 200 million dollar tax break through Stanley Friedman who went to jail a day after. Trump also is egocentric and does things for HIMSELF, not for others. If he did things for others all of the other aforementioned problems with his character wouldn't exist...

Trump Supporter Argument #4: "Donald Trump is a good businessman"
Donald Trump is NOT a good businessman / in fact he's extremely inefficient: and this is something both Trump Supporters and Trump himself use as leverage for the campaign. The New Jersey Casino Control Commission in 1990 revealed that only THREE out of twenty two Donald Trump assets were profitable: The Grand Hyatt, Trump Plaza Casino and Trump Tower. In other words, he was losing money bringing him to a net worth $ -294 million; he didn't comprehend how to perform basic businesses decisions and acted rashly. Furthermore, he used his FATHER'S popularity, name and money to get realestate leverage; otherwise the realestate he got (and pissed away) wouldn't have been obtainable for him. Or for any person of that age and status. This is also mirrored in how he lied that he's self-funding his campaign and then does a 180 and starts taking funding after all.

Trump Supporter Argument #5: "Donald Trump will build a wall to keep out illegal immigrants"
First of all, Donald Trump keeps changing the cost of how much it will take to build the wall. The cost would be far too prohibitive and the upkeep, astronomical. Teh fact he's even proposing this is NONSENSICAL, and solves absolutely nothing. Yet, the "illegal immigrant" issue has become a focal fixation for Trump Supporters when they don't realize that illegal immigrants actually assist the economy due to their unique status. Furthermore, building a wall and finding and deporting illegal immigrants (which would be so astronomically difficult) is just not possible. It's a fantasy. In the suppressed Trump Documentary this is what Trump (himself) calls an 'exaggerated hyperbole'. So since we can pin this tactic with the Grand Hyatt-- how is this any different as a filler for his campaign? IF elected he could spin around and say "yep, it was an exaggerated hyperbole", and it is.

Other problems with Donald Trump.... He had (and has) behaviour problems. He throws 'harassment lawsuits' at people he doesn't like which (still to this day!) ALWAYS go nowhere because he never has a basis for his anger. In the documentary you can see how he attacks Paul Goldberger for basic CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM from the Paul Gapp review. What kind of leadership is that? And he often deals with criminals such as Joseph Weichselbaum--in whom he provided stay for him in Trump Plaza after being released from jail: of course not for free, Trump isn't *that* generous to his friends.

These are serious problems that you can't even begin to pin on any of the other candidates, Trump's sociopathic behaviours / and desire to not change them result in someone who is insane and unfit to manage over... ANYTHING.

In conclusion, when talking to Trump Supporters, it may be prudent to REPEAT these hard-facts over and over until it sinks in that Trump is someone who is vindictive.


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PostPosted: 18 Sep 2016, 08:49 
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Apparently Trump and anti-semitism were more connected than I first realized. I know many Trump Supporters are anti-semitic, but I didn't know the Trumps were anti-semitic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDbZPNiCeQE

Donald Trump Jr. wrote:
The media has been her (Hilary Clinton's) number one surrogate in this. Without the media uhhh this wouldn't even be a contest, but the media has built her up. They've let her slide on every you know indiscrepancy, on every lie, on every DNC uhhhh game trying to get Bernie Sanders out of the thing. I mean, if Republicans were doing that they'd be warming up the gas chamber right now.


Of course Donald Trump Jr. lied and said he was referring to America's present death penalties.


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PostPosted: 18 Sep 2016, 16:02 
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Who knew only boy scouts ran for president before Trump? And who knew it was your job to count the moles on Trump's ass? Your family is for national sovereignty, that's why they're pro Trump. One world-ism/globalism, is satanic. If you're against Trump, you're cosmic. Period. You might as well be a Christian living in Roman times, complaining that Trajan is untrustworthy because he hides his bisexuality. You and the people on this site are WAY out of line. You should all go back to basics, but I'm sure you're too smart for that.

Relax. There will be no "afiveanasix." lol


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PostPosted: 18 Sep 2016, 18:24 
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Trump is pretty much the poster boy for the Cosmic System. The man lies constantly, and never really explains how he plans to accomplish what he promises. There's National Sovereignty, and there's National Socialism....

It should be abundantly clear to any believer using 1John 1:9 that Trump is the worst possible choice in this election.

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Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the Basic Doctrine about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God....

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PostPosted: 18 Sep 2016, 19:14 
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It should be abundantly clear to any believer using 1John 1:9 that Trump is the worst possible choice in this election.

You are being legalistic AND applying it to someone(Trump) who you don't even consider a Christian. No boy scouts get to be president. No boy scout could even be a local dogcatcher or garbage man without tarnishing his worldly reputation. Those merit badges would get tarnished before his first coffee break. 1John 1:9 is not a prop for you to use in the subversion of establishment principles. And establishment principles are for the whole world. Your own pet set of norms and values are for you.

But keep following your teacher and remain confused. And she is a teacher, not a reporter. She publicly expounds on doctrine in a dogmatic fashion. In one video she even gives "homework." So she says she's not a teacher. That's advertising. People can say a lot of things, but it is what it is. You kids need to learn to read between the lines.


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PostPosted: 18 Sep 2016, 19:32 
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athreeanafour wrote:
Who knew only boy scouts ran for president before Trump? And who knew it was your job to count the moles on Trump's ass? Your family is for national sovereignty, that's why they're pro Trump. One world-ism/globalism, is satanic. If you're against Trump, you're cosmic. Period. You might as well be a Christian living in Roman times, complaining that Trajan is untrustworthy because he hides his bisexuality. You and the people on this site are WAY out of line. You should all go back to basics, but I'm sure you're too smart for that.

Relax. There will be no "afiveanasix." lol


Logic always plays its melody; you've refused logic by completely ignoring all of the information that was presented / and instead (get this) are deferring the topic. What does my relationship with Jesus Christ have ANYTHING to do with how Donald Trump operates with criminals? There are so many issues with Donald Trump, and this is a small sampling from above:
Why does Donald Trump promote anti-capitilism to mix state and private affairs?
Why did Donald Trump use illegal Polish Immigrants knowingly then hide under John Miller?
Why did Donald Trump cheat the contractors for the New York Centrl Park skating rink?
Why did Donald Trump deliberately spread lies to get tennants to leave the apartment house he wanted to tear down?
Why does Donald Trump hide his tax returns / and the ones that we DO have showing HORRIBLE finance? (re: $-294 million in debt)?
Why does Donald Trump use his 'exaggerated hyperbole' tactic also for "building a wall"?
Why does Donald Trump continually utilize harassment lawsuits that ALWAYS get nowhere?
Why does Donald Trump attack basic constructive criticism or attack (re: Paul Goldberger & Megyn Kelly)
Why is Donald Trump anti-semitic along with his brainwashed son?
--worst of all, why does Donald Trump DENY AND LIE about ALL of that and occassionally having to admit it when he's in COURT?

Also you're just throwing white noise vocabulary at me, "going back to basics"? What? Promoting Alex Jones' conspiracy material about a 'one world order' and globalism shows your mentality outright. Alex Jones is a confused Roman Catholic who doesn't know a thing about salvation, and feeds gullible white Americans conspiritorial information that they pathetically lap up in a cocktail of ectsasy and stupidity.


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PostPosted: 18 Sep 2016, 20:29 
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Yes, I did ignore most of what you wrote. You got me there. lol
And you've ignored the basics. Where does that leave us? Well, there's not anything left for us to say to each other at this time.
Which is a relief.


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PostPosted: 18 Sep 2016, 21:07 
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dontwannabeawannabe wrote:
It should be abundantly clear to any believer using 1John 1:9 that Trump is the worst possible choice in this election.

You are being legalistic AND applying it to someone(Trump) who you don't even consider a Christian. No boy scouts get to be president. No boy scout could even be a local dogcatcher or garbage man without tarnishing his worldly reputation. Those merit badges would get tarnished before his first coffee break. 1John 1:9 is not a prop for you to use in the subversion of establishment principles. And establishment principles are for the whole world. Your own pet set of norms and values are for you.

But keep following your teacher and remain confused. And she is a teacher, not a reporter. She publicly expounds on doctrine in a dogmatic fashion. In one video she even gives "homework." So she says she's not a teacher. That's advertising. People can say a lot of things, but it is what it is. You kids need to learn to read between the lines.


I'm not looking for a boy scout, but I don't have to vote for a psychotic, narcissistic, megalomaniac, of which characteristics Trump exhibits every time he opens his mouth. My Pastor-Teacher, R.B. Thieme Jr., taught us how to recognize and handle people like him.

So if you've got yourself a nice cozy warm spot in the Cosmic System, then stay as long as you like. Cuz Trump's got a major messiah complex, and he needs followers to his end.

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PostPosted: 18 Sep 2016, 23:38 
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athreeanafour wrote:
Who knew only boy scouts ran for president before Trump? And who knew it was your job to count the moles on Trump's ass? Your family is for national sovereignty, that's why they're pro Trump. One world-ism/globalism, is satanic. If you're against Trump, you're cosmic. Period. You might as well be a Christian living in Roman times, complaining that Trajan is untrustworthy because he hides his bisexuality. You and the people on this site are WAY out of line. You should all go back to basics, but I'm sure you're too smart for that.

Relax. There will be no "afiveanasix." lol


So you like Lawrence Welk. Who'da thunk?

FYI, when God advertises #NeverTrump, he does it through Scripture. The theme of 2Cor3 is that government doesn't insure your freedom, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT does that. Verse 17 is a crescendo, to anyone who reads past verse 6.

TRUMP reversed it, in effect replacing the Holy Spirit with himself. Hear for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EIgHsGZAmk


See, that's a REPORT on what SOMEONE ELSE said. By contrast, teaching, as you should know ever since kindergarten, requires STUDENTS.

So hupostasis, a STUDENT under a male teacher, made his post using the BIBLE he learns under that teacher, so has the resulting DISCERNMENT to hear DT talk and know God's Report on him.

Witnessing to what others say and thinking out loud about what they say is not teaching, either. Pity DT never had any teachers, and the one he has now is FEMALE, who wouldn't know the Bible if it bit her.

They don't even get the GOSPEL right. DING DING DING God The Holy Spirit flies a blimp in the sky, #NeverTrump on the apostates, headed by DT.

And just to be sure we don't miss it, God gave Anonynomenon to know that Matt24-25 was a TIMELINE PREDICTING this very phenomenon in Matt 25:10-12, 'Lord, Lord'. Oh, and Ann Coulter's book says In Trump We Trust, DT likes to be called Daddy, Lance Walnau says he's Cyrus of Isaiah 45, etc.

I bucked Anonynomenon for THREE YEARS in his claim about that timeline. He was right, I was wrong. THIEME taught his students rather well.

So, unless you can refute the Greek or Hebrew meter Anonynomenon is doing, then looks like your DT is making you get #Trumpitis and thus satanic, yourself.

Prove the foregoing wrong. Please. Say what you want, this is FrankForum, no holds barred. Just don't be like other DT supporters and spout anti-semitism. Then and only then, you'd have to be booted outta here. Else.. welcome.

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PostPosted: 19 Sep 2016, 00:45 
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Yes, I did ignore most of what you wrote.

Is that what you told you teachers and parents?
"Oh sorry, I'm too self-immersed and hate learning, so I just ignored everything as I wish to remain unlearned".

Fantastic! No wonder why you're a Trump supporter. I'm surprised you can read and write with that attitude.


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