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PostPosted: 20 Aug 2015, 17:59 
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Far more people reporting how they keep it and why in the comments , worth reading if you're wondering about whether to keep XP. I can add reasons, and maybe later will edit this post to state them. Point is, the arguments that just because MommySoft changes the OS your old MommySoft OS is suddenly bad.. are bupkis.

It's a sales gimmick, to praise the new OS until a newer one comes out by MSFT, who then trashes their old work. All in the name of making you safer. At some point, they cry 'Wolf!' too often.

All you need to do to keep XP (or any later OS) safe, if you're anal:

A) don't accept emails with attachments from folks you don't know.
B) Use a different OS to surf, than for your work. So, Chromebook, whatever. If the underlying files are of a different OS, then the path of attack can't go through. Linux in particular is hard to get past, and of course Chromebook is just a surfer, so isn't touching your working files.
C) Don't click on gimmicky ads or sites promising you fantastic sales, wins, victories, sex, pirated stuff, whatever. Malware lives in such places, looking for someone who is gullible.
D) DITTO your stuff; clone or back it up daily. Backup programs are many, Macrium Reflect Free 6 is easier than all the others I've used, and I have 12 paid licenses of MR Pro 5, as well. It's annoying and hard to learn backing up. DO IT. For Win98, use Retrospect 6 or 6.5, which you can usually get in Amazon (used, but the version is no longer supported) for less than $50.


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Okay, well since I run my DOS programs without helpers in XP, I couldn't disagree with you more on #1. I use 1980's Lotus 1-2-3 version 2.01 for DOS natively in XP Pro 32-bit, almost daily, for years; in fact, it won't work in Win98. Can't run it fullscreen in Windows 7; it won't operate at all in Win8-10 without DOSbox. I know, because I had to install DOSbox in Win8 and Win10, to run Lotus 1-2-3 at all.

All my other DOS programs run just fine in XP except I can't run my TSRs (like Sidekick) in any version of Windows, since I run TSRs in conjunction with regular DOS programs. Now maybe there's a way to configure EMS or EXT memory so I can, but I"ve not tried to learn that yet: for I only run TSRs in EXT or EMS memory.

Yes, I use ImgBurn in XP. :vikinggirl:

Re #3, any 32-bit program is stuck with 3.x GB of RAM, not merely XP. :bustedcop:

Re #4-6, I refuse to use SSDs, so don't care, since they weren't invented when XP came out; as for newer machines, I just clean installed an old but unused retail 32-bit XP Pro, bare metal to a brand new drive, inserted into a 2012 Dell Latitude 6530 i5 laptop and there were no hitches, no need for any drivers. I did have to download Net framework 3.5 for the sake of my Intel HD graphics, but that's all. :cool:

I don't want anything later than third-gen i5 or i7, because later-gen CPUs are soldered. I want mine insertable and removable and paste-able. So later hardware is not desirable. :chemfail:

Re #7, not a clown theme but classic or any other theme you want to create, you can; for example, you can use Plus! from Windows 98 or 95, or use the 'classic' theme option and create your own in (right-click on desktop) Properties, and in Start Menu Right-click Properties. 100% Customizable Start Menu, also. Most of that is taken away in Windows 7, more taken away in Win8, and totally removed in Win10.

Differ with you also, on the claim about XP search being more limited. Stuff I cannot find on a drive using Win7, I find easily in XP. Granted, with XP you first have to ENTER its search program, and SPECIFY what you want to search, but you find more things faster and better. So much so, I won't use Windows 7 et seq. to search anymore. In fact, I bought ZtreeWin at the suggestion of one of the members here, and it can find EVERYTHING including any text (it's like XtreeGold for DOS, which I believe you know, but this is the Windows version, and it works in Win8 and Win10 even on 32-bit in 64-bit Win10 with ZtreeWin solely installed on a STICK). :cheese:

And I've never HAD to create a desktop shortcut using the Start Menu. In fact, most installer programs offer to create both a Start Menu program item AND a desktop shortcut FOR you. Or, you just go to the executable and create it, or yeah you can easily go to Start Menu and right-click to create it. AND you can do TWO toolbars, one on top and one on bottom of the screen, with as many icons as you like AND alphabetize them. Win7 only lets you do one 'side'. :Egyptdance:

I got Direct X 9, and Windows 10 only supports Direct X 10, which I know because I have 64-bit Win 10. Turns out Direct X 12 really can't run yet, in Win10.


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Well, all I can tell you is that the sound works just fine with my DOS programs in XP. Maybe some old games you play won't work, I don't do games so can't speak to that. Nor do I use Visual Studio.

SSDs wear out faster, and there are other disadvantages which to me overweigh speed. So if you like them, I'm happy for you. As for me, I don't want them, for the same reason I won't buy a 'new' car, since they all have unibody construction, now, and a bunch of other things I don't want.

As for soldering, perhaps some of the legacy machines still being made don't have soldered CPUs, as I imagine businesses like mine won't want them (we like having machines we can easily repair). But the plan is to solder CPUs to the motherboards for the future, that's the info I read from Intel (not sure where). So, not interested in that. But thank you for the heads-up that some CPUs won't be soldered.


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I still have a Windows XP machine. The graphics chip driver isn't compatible with newer versions of Windows, so upgrading isn't an option unless I want to use the basic Windows graphics driver. Windows XP still works fine for this machine, does everything I need it to, and I'm not worried about infections. It's never been infected, and if it was I could wipe the drive, and restore from my backup image. There is no valuable data on that computer, so there is nothing for malware to take hostage, and I never use it to login into accounts so there is nothing a keylogger will intercept other than what weird things I Google. The only thing it could do is infect my other computers, which is why if I transfer files from that machine I scan them first, and then scan them again on the machine they are transfered to. Not that scanning them is any guarantee, but better than nothing.

On the subject of SSDs I would point out that SSD is a broad term for any solid state storage device, not just Nand-flash harddrive replacements. For example, back in the XP era Gigabyte sold a ram-based SSD (Gigabyte i-Ram), of course it was much smaller capacity wise than typical SSDs now adays, and not as fast, but still a pretty cool idea. Other companies have attempted the same thing, but it never catches on, because: they are always too expensive, they typically use outdated ram, and because the storage is volatile you need a battery and a backup storage card. Software generated ram SSDs, however have caught on to a certain degree, but mostly in the GNU/Linux world (eg: Puppy Linux, Porteus, etc).

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Yes it's a laptop. An old Dell one. The next graphics processor model up, has compatible drivers, but my model was the cut-off. Doesn't matter though, it's just a spare machine. I bought it used, maxed out the ram at 2GiB (it came with 256MiB), and got it a large battery. I figured the battery would come in handy during power outtages, as I usually watch movies when the power is out.

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XP continues as a sound platform for many. Commentators such as Ed Bott would question the sanity of those still using it whilst on his personal quest to get everyone to convert to Windows 10 on ZDNet which is corrupt through to its core.

Some have taken XP offline which is perhaps being overly cautious. In reality though it is common sense when it comes to working with XP and keeping it Online. Here are the three essential

1) Decent Antivirus software and Firewall.

2) Don't browse the web using Internet Explorer 8. Use Firefox (Chrome no longer supports XP).

3) Responsible Browsing

It is also worth mentioning that XP is probably more secure now than its ever been as it is no longer the main focus of malware writers.


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Great points! Later machines handle XP just fine. What latest-model machines would you install XP on, 5735guy?


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