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Well, I like a lot of what Jeff says, though I wouldn't go so far as to claim the mechanics are the origin of the meaning. I would argue, though, that the letters are indeed functional, and that meaning intended INCLUDES such ideas. Koran actuallly uses the letters the same way: lots of Suras begin with three letters in a kind of lemma or even an acronym idea.

What you've posted is clever. Thing is, can you do it for all the lemmas, and do they fit together? That would be a way of auditing any one of them.


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Just playing around with the idea some more, I noticed that it cant be applied to all lemmas, but it does work very frequently. I'll have to learn more Hebrew to see how far it goes. Very interesting indeed though.

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Okay, well don't make too much of the appearance. It's pretty clear to me that the Massoretic alphabet WE use, was designed to be pictorial-functional, but those letters look almost nothing like the Hebrew letters of Daniel's or David's or Moses' day. Nor am I too sure that what we today claim were the meanings of each letter, were the original meanings. That's why testing with the lemmas is important.


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I was using Benner's Paleohebrew pictographic chart. Haven't those symbols been deciphered? Or is it all still conjecture?

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Well, compare to Gesenius, but I don't know if I can find the chart online. I have the 1910 copy, which has a chart. The online copy doesn't have it. I can't find copies online. This is a politically-charged issue, so everyone disputes with everyone else. That's another reason why I'd just test the assigned meanings, never mind what the characters actually looked like.


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Interesting. I did not know that this was a debated issue. I guess the best thing to do would be to familiarize myself with basic Hebrew grammar, root words, prefixes and suffixes, and test the lemmas for commonalities. That would be the only objective way that I know of, but that will also take sometime.

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Yeah, it will. Meanwhile, you can speculate in whatever passage you're reviewing. Over time, they will add up and maybe you can revisit.


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Hey, beloved: someone just sent me a related thing in twitter, here: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s49/sh/8 ... aa388a9fbd


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The only reason was to show the artifacts. Mormons are forever trying to glom onto something to justify their untenable position, esp. since 'brass plates' never existed, and 'moroni' is Greek and Hebrew for 'My Demon', lol.

But I did see similar stuff in Chaco Canyon I think. Wasn't sure.


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Turns out I have Jeff's book on Kindle. Haven't looked at it yet.


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Bumping this up now: remember the Adinkas? Maybe they are related?


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