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I was debating some KJVO people, and wound up metering Psalm 12 in the process. They tried to use Psalm 12:6-7 to prove that the KJV bible is the only divinely inspired/preserved Word of God, so I went overboard and buried their argument with quick meter. I don't know if it was the right decision or not, but the result was this meter, so I figured I might as well share it here. I will be converting it to PDF later.

Verse 1a

14 Syllables (7x2)
AV Translation: "To the chief Musician upon Sheminith, A Psalm of David."

Verse 1b

21 Syllables (7x3)
AV Translation: "Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men."

Verse 2-3

42 Syllables (7x6)
AV Translation: "They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak. The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things"

Verse 4-5a

42 Syllables (7x6)
AV Translation: "Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us? For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD"

Verse 5b-6

35 Syllables (7x5)
AV Translation: "I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him. The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times."

Verse 7-8

35 Syllables (7x5)
AV Translation: "Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted."


There might be more subsevening in a few places, but I think most of the sevening is represented as parsed. I counted it by clause, but didn't parse it that way, to keep things simple. I'll be reviewing it later, but for now I'm just parking it here for the sake of documentation.

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HEB 4:12
The word of God is alive and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of the soul and the spirit, of the joints and marrow, and is a critic of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

So assuming parsed rightly, 14 21 42 42 35 35 so far. 77 doubled in palindrome (14 21 42 then 42 35).

You saw the many videos proving that 'them' does not mean 'words' in the Hebrew? It's a special construction that only refers to PEOPLE (nu ending). See Gesenius section 58. Sadly, edwardpf123 cannot read English, and he thinks that section proves him right. But when YOU read it, you'll see it refutes him.

KJV translators knew it, too. They have marginal notes which reference how they used 'them' for the nu ending BECAUSE they knew it meant people, which in English we impersonalize with 'them' rather than 'him' or 'us' (cuz there is no 3rd person plural in the Hebrew form). For I wasn't the only one trying to explain this BASIC GRAMMAR ISSUE to eddie baby, who claims he attended Berachah while I was physically there (!) yet cannot decipher case endings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFJZeKGUqek&list=PLF1CA4255E1A6DDD9&index=44

So then, shouldn't verse 7 be translated, "you will protect us" rather than, "thou shalt preserve them"? David would then be including himself with those who are "oppressed of the poor", as translated in verse 5a...thus showing that humility is the focus, not poverty.

According my Hebrew grammar book, "Biblical Hebrew: A Compact Guide", by MIles V. Van Pelt, page 46 lists nu as a pronominal suffix, defined as us/ours.

So not only did the KJV fail to clarify the translation by context, they got the translation flat wrong.

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HEB 4:12
The word of God is alive and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of the soul and the spirit, of the joints and marrow, and is a critic of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Yes. That's the point Jeff Benner was trying to make in his video. Gesenius Section 58 flat says that, as well: THERE IS NO THIRD PERSON PLURAL. The KJV marginal note on titsrennu says that they used English 'them' only because it's got the same idiomatic meaning then in ENGLISH, but that the term meant the people.

All this is well known stuff.. but the KJVO as always, and especially edwardpf123, can't or won't admit it.