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 Post subject: Apocalyptic
PostPosted: 30 Oct 2015, 06:21 
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Most 'end-time' movies are sheer garbage of no Biblicity. They just mention the word 'Revelation' from time to time, and one of the buzzwords in it. That's about how close some of these movies come to any relation to the Bible.

Even so, the "Final Rapture" video ending this post is very worth watching, even though like all the others, it is clueless about the Gospel. It never makes clear how you get saved. The others, state false gospels. So you wonder why anyone would waste his and your time making movies like this, if you can't know WHY the Rapture is important, and WHAT it is and HOW to be saved from it. Oh well.

Even so, it's best to purchase a movie, or rent it; ideally, after some trial view so you know you won't want to return it. Problem is, I can't find these for purchase or rental, so have to post the Youtube links.

So they serve a very different purpose: illustrating how and why what the Bible DOES say, is valid. For example, don't you wonder how so many people can be so dumb as to fall for an anti-christ, when the details are so many and so well known for so long? Don't you wonder how anyone could be anti-semitic, or could assemble by the millions in the Valley of Esdraelon, as Bible foretells?

And of course, these apocalyptic movies do try to dramatize that, but they get it so WRONG (i.e., assuming that 200 million DEMONS clearly depicted in Rev 9 are really the Chinese) -- that's how you know how realistic the Bible is. The plain warning is in plain sight -- so we can't read it rightly!

So without further ado, here's the utterly laughable, apostate Christian and Gail Riplinger fav, The Omega Code. Treating the Bible like a crossword puzzle, as if stuff God says were 'hidden' (yeah, to those who won't READ it). But the acting is worth watching, esp. how Michaels Ironside and York handle their roles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CazP74nbr6Y

Omega Code 2 Megiddo is an alternate version (sans the goofy Code), how the Western anti-Christ, came to exist. Again, the movie has no resemblance whatsoever to Bible. The words in Bible are bandied about but what Bible says is so different, you can't help but be embarrassed that TBN ever put its name on the production. They are dead now, and know better. So in deference to them, you need to see how terribly WRONG we Christians get it, to better understand how wrong the world will be, when the actual events occur. For we Christians are baffled why unbelievers don't believe. Well, they get it even more wrong when reading Bible, than we do!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQxq7cmeiq8

Enter Apocalpyse 1 (aka Apocalypse), replete with cheesy music, amateurish directing and camerawork, horrible acting bordering on SNL satire, no understanding of Scripture: but again that's the point of posting. The people behind the movie are so pathetic, they can't even get the Gospel right, using a passage to apostate believers in Laodicea in Rev 3:20, as if it were the Gospel? (Rev 1:11 says TO THE CHURCHES WRITE not to unbelievers, duh; and Rev 3:14 said to the MESSENGER (angelos=pastor, here) at Laodicea, write.)

How incompetent can you get? So are the people making this picture, even SAVED? Look how many denominations (='demon nations' one S. California Baptist pastor quipped to me circa 1999) -- get it wrong: the Catholics, Calvinists, SDA, Jehovah's Witness, Mormons, the people behind this movie, countless other denoms, all of them claim you have to DO something to be saved. So then maybe none of them are saved. Wouldn't Satan want the unsaved to be considered 'Christians'? To mess up the message how you GET saved?

Bible says BELIEVE CHRIST PAID FOR YOUR SINS is what eternally saves you, John 3:16 and many other verses. The nanosecond you 'did' that, you're forever saved. Can't reverse it, can't sin some sin to undo it. But do these Impe Christians know that? NOOOOO. That's why they stay on TBN week after week spewing nonsense which curses the world. Drooling over events rather than drooling over learning Bible Doctrine. This is why the yield in the Seed parables are so low: 30 fold (meaning only 3% believers are growing), 60-fold (only 1.5%), and 100-fold (1%). The rest, are dead even while they live (carnal, topic of 1John).

But good for a laugh or a grimace. For the 'sudden disappearance' at 21 minutes, evidenced by CAREFULLY FOLDED CLOTHING ON SIDEWALKS is a nice (and deliberate) touch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysDuK9t6VRs

Apocalypse 2 (aka Revelation, 2nd in the quadrilogy starring Nick Mancuso) has much better production values, script, direction, acting, and some moments which are doctrinally accurate or at least plausible, thought-provoking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2Rlnvf3bN4

Third in the series, is 'Tribulation' again with Mancuso, but now also with Gary Busey and Margot Kidder. Cheesy filming and directing, but at times has a good script. The video's 'Final Hour' title is not native to the film, so far as I can tell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnytcMP8fLE

Last in the series is Apocalypse IV Judgment again with Nick Mancuso, but newly with Corbin Bernsen. Production values and script are much better, still not accurate re Gospel, but thought-provoking on the overall question of 'God' and how we humans quickly become hitlerian.. all without being preachy. The movie stands alone if you saw even only Apocalypse. You can buy the whole collection in Amazon, here.

Someone posted Judgment in seven parts with terrible resolution but clear sound, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NNk0Ld ... h6PVphlIxh

Its Spanish counterpart is El Juicio, clearly spoken in 12 parts, no playlist.

Part I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q3OWLGCmN0

Parts 2 - 12 can be watched in Youtube, but are all thumbnailed on one page, https://www.ovguide.com/browse_video?t= ... 000900cdb9

Now for somewhat better (but still Biblically-inaccurate) version, watch Mark of the Beast, with Eric Roberts and some unknowns who really make the movie work. Plot is pathetic, Bible never says that Rapture means millions of disappearances which are disruptive, but hey.

Mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgqawFfZOcA


Mark 2, Redemption:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAzywXIJ91Q


This one's a keeper, worth watching over and over: Final: The Rapture. Why 'Final' I don't know, there's only ONE -- this version is offbeat, slow-burn; somehow its amateurish 'reality tv' quasi-documentary filming style works, has authenticity. It's very realistic in certain ways, uncomfortably so:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBQTRYYc-u0


'Left Behind' is in Youtube too, but it's so bad, I can't bring myself to post it here. Might change mind and do it later.

What's so ironic: the actual story the Bible tells would be a blockbuster movie making everyone rich. So it is possible to become rich and famous yet not be corrupt. Yet no Bible movie ever made is even remotely competent. So they fail at the box office, too.


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PostPosted: 01 Nov 2015, 03:33 
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First, Bible never says that there will be millions raptured up at once, creating disruption. It's left open. And it makes no sense for God to do it in a way that causes millions of deaths in the very act, since the whole point OF the Rapture, is to keep reminding people God exists and how to be saved. They've gotten bored of the current system, even as the Jews got bored in the OT, so now the announcement mechanism must be more .. ahem, abrupt. But you don't kill the people you're trying to save, right?

So it's more likely to be quiet and peaceful, in terms of societal structures. No disappearing busdrivers, cabbies, drivers period of anything while they are driving. Seriously, to claim He'd do this is to insult Him. He has proven time and again He likes subtle, for Church. Ok: we all have to stop and pee...

That quiet ambivalence, aids Satan too.

Moreover, the Rapture verb in 1Thess4:17, Greek harpazw, was used for snatching up women in a raid. Now you've seen this so often on TV, maybe you don't remember how that worked:

ONE guy sees ONE woman at ONE moment and takes her.

Somewhere else, happening possibly at the same moment, someone else does that to some other woman. But more usually, the moments are NOT simultaneous.

So repeated moments, singularly happening, THROUGHOUT the raid.

Then you've the noun apantesis, a bunch of people coming to the same place but singularly, at different times, kinda like people all going to see an opera or a rock concert. It's ONE event, but different arrivals, not everyone arriving at the same time. So you see, the droolers over these horrible anti-Biblical Rapture movies, don't do their Bible Homework. I'm embarrassed for them.

Okay, so then is it disruptive? Doesn't have to be. Some believer who's a plane pilot has just landed and gets zapped. INCLUDING HIS CLOTHING. So you don't know what happened to him, and have no reason to suspect it, right away. Or, he's asleep in bed. Remember, it's nightime for 12 hours every day somewhere on the planet.

Or, and this is more Biblical: no one left will believe, and of the believers no one left will grow, so the Rapture occurs when whoever is the last believer to GROW, stops growing. Last person who will mature in Christ, stops, completes. That would make a blockbuster movie, and it's the most Biblical, given Ephesians 4:12-13 is the criterion for the Rapture.

Like a fruit when it ripens, if you wait too long it goes sour. God will know when we corporately are ripe. Not fair to Rapture earlier or later than that.

Which means no one on earth remains, and precious few might believe or be growing. So not disruptive for that reason, either. Wish someone would make a movie depicting that more likely scenario.


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 Post subject: Re: Apocalyptic
PostPosted: 05 Nov 2015, 05:07 
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Oh God, I can't stand those Apocalypse movies. Just so cheesy it makes me want to gag just thinking about them. I went to see the "new & improved" Left Behind movie cuz Nicolas Cage was in it (and I kinda like him), but I was soooo disappointed. I don't think they mentioned even once Jesus dying for our sins...but whatever, that's Hollywood.

I don't see the "millions vanishing" being very likely either, but at the same time, wouldn't the Rapture have to be public in some way? I mean isn't it one of the signs that the Tribulation has started? Or maybe not, since OT prophecies never involved Church or Rapture in the first place.

Its hard to say. Just because a number of believers exist at one time, doesn't mean that any of them are growing much at all. Some could be going through the finishing touches while others are simply there to convert air into CO2.

But then you have the Fifth Cycle doctrine. If the Church must be carried by a succession of Client Nations, then the Rapture could be the Fifth Cycle event (or biggy backing it). That might be public, or the chaos of the Fifth Cycle event could mask the Rapture altogether...and the world would never know what happened :devil: . Well, I'm sure the 144k would put 2&2 together eventually.

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 Post subject: Re: Apocalyptic
PostPosted: 15 Nov 2015, 21:20 
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Anonynomenon wrote:

But then you have the Fifth Cycle doctrine. If the Church must be carried by a succession of Client Nations, then the Rapture could be the Fifth Cycle event (or biggy backing it). That might be public, or the chaos of the Fifth Cycle event could mask the Rapture altogether...and the world would never know what happened :devil: . Well, I'm sure the 144k would put 2&2 together eventually.


This is an excellent point. When there are no more nations suitable to be a Church Age client nation, then, the Rapture must happen unless God suddenly stopped using the "client nation" model for a period, which seems highly unlikely. Is the United States the last one? Only time will tell

But I think some Trib believers will figure out what "happened" to us. We will be missed. We really stand out you know. lol. And I think our disappearance will help them understand what time they are in.

Very interesting subject.

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PostPosted: 16 Nov 2015, 11:32 
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Really was, for Europe. When you think about how the Black Death, persecution of the Jews, invasion by the Mongols (their rise and the Black Death are co-eval), Leviticus 26 and Deut 28 come to mind. Implication, MAYBE -- that before the Rapture hits, maybe this stuff does. So maybe the actual Rapture will take place amidst war already? Just thinking out loud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9kTzSN-dbg


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PostPosted: 19 Nov 2015, 21:23 
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You've just GOT to watch this movie, at least the first 30 minutes. The script is extremely fast-read, packed with sight and sound gags, so pay close attention. Expects you to know Revelation and the stupid Left Behind apostate movies, very well...

I hope I can buy it somewhere. Watch for the talking locust at 8:40 on the kitchen floor... :lolhard: :lolhard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjT2KD9sovU


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You've just GOT to watch this movie, at least the first 30 minutes. The script is extremely fast-read, packed with sight and sound gags, so pay close attention. Expects you to know Revelation and the stupid Left Behind apostate movies, very well...

I hope I can buy it somewhere. Watch for the talking locust at 8:40 on the kitchen floor... :lolhard: :lolhard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjT2KD9sovU


Thanks for the link. I watched this tonight. Though satire, it does make some really interesting observations, especially how life goes on whatever the circumstances may be. It was the deadpan attitude of the two main characters that made it funny for me. Last 1/3 of movie did give me heartburn though.

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 Post subject: Re: Apocalyptic
PostPosted: 20 Nov 2015, 05:55 
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Yeah, me too. The deadpan in particular. That style of humor is good in short doses.


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 Post subject: Re: Apocalyptic
PostPosted: 14 Oct 2017, 12:01 
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This Rapture movie, like the others, presumes a mass disappearance, which nothing in Bible confirms. Even so, it's not as hokey as many, so might be worth watching. Its title, is The Moment After. It screws up the Gospel, like they all do. It has a sequel '2'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W_TAx4r0cw


Here's its simpering sequel, The Moment After 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQui2Rbs_IA


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 Post subject: Re: Apocalyptic
PostPosted: 14 Oct 2017, 12:59 
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This one has everyone Christian dying as the Rapture. Souls exit, bodies remain behind. Makes more sense, except that Bible says we just go up, bodies changing WHILE we go up. Not death. Even so, it's an idea, nothing's 100% bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VrQfcogukk


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