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PostPosted: 05 Nov 2015, 07:56 
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as reported in the Millennial mag, Business Insider, here..

Apparently Bush Sr. didn't like Cheney and Rumsfeld being hard-line. Yeah, and if they hadn't been hard-line, Bin Laden, Gaddafi, Hussein would all be alive right now, and there would be no Arab Spring in Egypt, Afghanistan (which is Muslim, not strictly speaking Arab) and above all, Syria.

DECADES OF TRYING TO GET RID OF THOSE TYRANNIES AVAILED NOTHING. But 9/11 comes along, and due to Cheney, Rumsfeld and Bush Jr. recognizing the threat and TAKING the hard line, millions of Muslims have a chance at freedom, and millions of terrorist attempts lose bankrolling.

You couldn't ask for a better vindication of Dubya's administration. But of course, Insider can't admit that, it's for American Psycho mindsets.

Of course, maybe someone disagrees. Opine, please..?


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PostPosted: 05 Nov 2015, 16:37 
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Of course, maybe someone disagrees. Opine, please..?


I just don't think things are as simple as the media portrays them. America has a long history of raising its own enemies. I just don't believe we keep making the same 'mistakes' by accident.

We have a legal system in this nation, specifically, the Bill of Rights. Get Roosevelt, Clinton, Bush Jr, and the big O, and look at what they've done. From Social Security, to Medicare to Medicare part D, to Obamacare. They all look the same to me...SOCIALISTS.

We don't have Gadaffi, Saddam, or Mubarak anymore, but who conveniently filled their shoes? The Syrian Rebels who somehow transmorphed into ISIS. Why? Because we just have to get Assad out of the picture.

Cut foreign aid, cut taxes, return to the Bill of Rights, bring our soldiers home and beef up our military like tomorrow is the end. Let our brute power be the deterrent.

Cut foreign aid and domestic taxes, and you will see our enemies abroad whither away. Only then we can worry about real enemies like Russia and China.

Thats my opinion. Democrats vs Republicans = Immoral Degeneracy vs Moral Degeneracy.

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My brain must be out: how would cutting foreign aid and domestic taxes wither away our enemies other than Russia and China?

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Of course, maybe someone disagrees. Opine, please..?


I just don't think things are as simple as the media portrays them. America has a long history of raising its own enemies. I just don't believe we keep making the same 'mistakes' by accident.

We have a legal system in this nation, specifically, the Bill of Rights. Get Roosevelt, Clinton, Bush Jr, and the big O, and look at what they've done. From Social Security, to Medicare to Medicare part D, to Obamacare. They all look the same to me...SOCIALISTS.

We don't have Gadaffi, Saddam, or Mubarak anymore, but who conveniently filled their shoes? The Syrian Rebels who somehow transmorphed into ISIS. Why? Because we just have to get Assad out of the picture.

Cut foreign aid, cut taxes, return to the Bill of Rights, bring our soldiers home and beef up our military like tomorrow is the end. Let our brute power be the deterrent.

Cut foreign aid and domestic taxes, and you will see our enemies abroad whither away. Only then we can worry about real enemies like Russia and China.

Thats my opinion. Democrats vs Republicans = Immoral Degeneracy vs Moral Degeneracy.


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LOL who's gonna be offended, here? Frankforum means frank. If we frankly tear at each other's throats or frankly hug? Okay, shutting up now. I'm like Berlinski in thinking too much politeness in society is tyrannizing.

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PostPosted: 12 Nov 2015, 16:11 
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First, because foreign aid is a burden on tax payers. Secondly, it seems lately that America rescourses seem to be falling into the hands of organizations like ISIS. ISIS fighters are using our gear, our guns, and our supplies that we meant for Syrian Rebels. Stop feeding them and they will starve.

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First, because foreign aid is a burden on tax payers. Secondly, it seems lately that America rescourses seem to be falling into the hands of organizations like ISIS. ISIS fighters are using our gear, our guns, and our supplies that we meant for Syrian Rebels. Stop feeding them and they will starve.


Ahh. Well as you said, it's not that simple. We had these really great visits when I was in college, from the State Department, and even Abba Eban. The thing is, over in the Middle East, everyone willing to sell anyone else out for any price. So you can never be sure of your allies or enemies. Sometimes the former are the latter, and vice versa. Same was true in Vietnam, actually.

So if you don't aid the allies who might turn around and sell/give your aid to your enemies to buy something from THEIR enemies, then you have more costs. This is why the US often ended up supporting dictatorships. Evil1 and Evil2.

In Syria, there have always been three religious factions: Sunni (=Catholic, Saudi), Shiite(=Pentecostal, Iraqi); and, Assad belongs to the third (smallest) the Alawites. (Not sure what Christian analogy best applies to that sect.)

He got that dominance (via his dad, just after WWII) by balancing off the factions. The rebels are among those. They are all untrustworthy. That's why we let Assad (and even helped him) stay in power so long, but then the Cold War was part of our motive.

As goes Syria, so goes Lebanon (Liban). So then you're looking at a geopolitical importance far bigger than Syria. Biblically, it's the same issue as applied during Seleucus and his progeny. All Daniel 11 stuff, really. That's the territory over which the Seleucids and the Ptolemies, often fought.

Russia had no better luck than we do; really sad record in Afghanistan. Gorbachev went to Baghdad to urge Hussein to fight against us. Pretending to us, to be our friend. All this, a short time before Dubya went in.

Ishmael's sons. That's basically the issue.

Larger picture is, these smaller countries use either US or Russia as leverage against their own little factions. That's the history of post-WWII Africa and India.

So we can't just withdraw. They will go to Russia/China and we know that. They ARE going to Russia/China and we know that. The Cold War never ended. So that ties back to what you said about Russia and China. Proxy countries, with us big Three fighting, and Europe just sits by, still angry over it being the pawn in WWII, waiting for which of us Three will go down first, hopefully all of us.

And given what Bible says -- like, no US in prophecy, at least not directly -- at least we might be the one going down.


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We can't withdraw without starting WWIII. What I would do is prepare to fight WWIII then withdraw and be ready for the chaos. I'm not anti-war, I just don't like the double dealing. Democrat or Republican, I don't think Americans should tolerate double dealing.

It may not be simple, but it can be simplified.

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PostPosted: 12 Nov 2015, 17:05 
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Agreed. Yet how? The only solution I know of, is to grow spiritually and pray often. For that's what I did, to get Gorby out of office. On my birthday in 1991, stuck in a hotel in Houston, overslept so missed Bible class, turned on TV saw him arrested, and then oh! That's what I prayed back in 1985! For in 1991, I had left Houston and moved back to Chitown, came to visit Houston hence the hotel room (off I-10).

So prayer works. And what else do we have? All those years of diplomacy school, all those diplomats working with or against the Russians for so long, and it breaks up all on its own.

Simplified. And just now prayed for, too. :indiangirl: :bond: :brucelee:

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We can't withdraw without starting WWIII. What I would do is prepare to fight WWIII then withdraw and be ready for the chaos. I'm not anti-war, I just don't like the double dealing. Democrat or Republican, I don't think Americans should tolerate double dealing.

It may not be simple, but it can be simplified.


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And that's exactly how I vote, with doctrine and prayer, not at the ballot...at least not until until God tells me too. But you can't tell that to CNN or FOX, or the political forums. Its all about the shiniest candidate for them and propaganda.

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Okay, then our inner fight is the real front line, and they are seemingly the front line but really the supply train...


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Okay, then our inner fight is the real front line, and they are seemingly the front line but really the supply train...


That vaguely reminds me of a quote from what used to be my favorite movie as a teen. Fight Club.

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We’re the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War’s a spiritual war… our Great Depression is our lives. We’ve all been raised on television to believe that one day we’d all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won’t. And we’re slowly learning that fact. And we’re very, very pissed off.

Doctrinally speaking it depicts a spiral into psychosis, but it reveals the superficial hypocrisy of the world. I think that quote gives a pretty thorough description of my generation.

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Okay, I see that. And Brad Pitt was the imaginary guy, with Edward Norton really beating himself up, pretending it was Pitt. So to feel victimized? Or like life had meaning, due to the beating?


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Yeah, like people realizing that the world isn't what our parents said it would be (whatever that vision was). Thats why people are so attracted to political polarity in my opinion.

Free health care. Peace. Living wages. Like everyone thinks it'll happen at the wave of a wand. When it doesn't happen, they cry victim and riot, as if the chaos brings a sense of purpose...its all about "the cause".

The public mind is too easy to manipulate, as depicted in Fight Club.

The more I see the political bickering, the more I'm reminded to leave it in God's hands.

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Well then what about this: people feel EMPTY so look for a 'higher calling' to make them feel they've got a purpose. Isn't that also what Fight Club was about?

So polarization justifies creating struggle, which justifies picking a side, which justifies religifying that side, which justifies claiming a higher calling (beat up the other guy)...


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Yeah. Ed Norton ran to the support groups first to remedy his emptiness.

You can't lead the masses by your agenda without a boogeyman. Sometimes it pays off (politically speaking) to have a few enemies handy.

This is why a house divided will not stand.

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Okay, well that's the cornerstone of Arab foreign policy. I remember the State Departmenet lecture on it, where the history of the Arabs is so fractious, that the only thing that unites them is the desire to destroy Israel.

    Book: A Short History of the Arab Peoples by Sir John Glubb. You can get it in Amazon. I think mine was in 1973. That and Merle Fainsod's books on the USSR (How Russia is Ruled, I have several copies still) are two of the best books to read on these two groups. They operate on the same principles: a house divided can be conquered by the third. That's how Syria operates.
And wow, I remember watching Dubya on TV outlining the Road Map contingent on erasing the First Article of the PLO Charter. The audience missed his wit there. I was sooo proud of him at that moment.

For that lecture from years prior, I remembered. The First Article says, "Israel has no right to exist."

And we know what Genesis 12, 15, 17 all say. So: the Arabs are a house divided betwen Ben Saud and bin-whoever in the Iranian side. Had been a four way race, two of the dingdongs now gone and ashamedly too, by their own people tried and executed like dogs.

Only Israel unites them. And they will war in the Valley of Decision. You've just now shown why, lol I really didn't expect this, what a surprise.

ARAB FIGHT CLUB! Kill me now.


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Funny how a cult-classic can put thing into perspective sometimes.

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What's America's boogeyman? ISIS? Not everyone sees Russia and China as a threat, but no politician dares to down-play ISIS.

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