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I think "they" are just messing with us the same way they did with the initial 10 EU nations. Zeph 2, Isa 47, and Rev 17 or 18 all confirm that Mystery Babylon is revived Nineveh IMO, so the 7 Hills are the 7 historical kings/empires that ruled over Chaldea and the Levant (in reality, 5 past and 2 to come). Rome was but one of those hills.

So again IMO, one so inclined to watch should be looking for the revived consolidation of the Levant and Chaldea, not necessarily Rome.

Zeph 2:13 And he will stretch out his hand against the north, and destroy Assyria; and will make Nineveh a desolation, and dry like a wilderness.
14 And flocks shall lie down in the midst of her, all the beasts of the nations: both the cormorant and the bittern shall lodge in the upper lintels of it; their voice shall sing in the windows; desolation shall be in the thresholds: for he shall uncover the cedar work.
15 This is the rejoicing city that dwelt carelessly, that said in her heart, I am, and there is none beside me: how is she become a desolation, a place for beasts to lie down in! every one that passeth by her shall hiss, and wag his hand.

Isaiah 47:7 And thou saidst, I shall be a lady for ever: so that thou didst not lay these things to thy heart, neither didst remember the latter end of it.
8 Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:
9 But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.

Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Isaiah 14:1When the LORD will have compassion on Jacob and again choose Israel, and settle them in their own land, then strangers will join them and attach themselves to the house of Jacob. 2The peoples will take them along and bring them to their place, and the house of Israel will possess them as an inheritance in the land of the LORD as male servants and female servants; and they will take their captors captive and will rule over their oppressors.

Jeremiah 50:4“In those days, at that time,”
declares the Lord,
“the people of Israel and the people of Judah together
will go in tears to seek the Lord their God.

Jeremiah 50:6“My people have been lost sheep;
their shepherds have led them astray
and caused them to roam on the mountains.
They wandered over mountain and hill
and forgot their own resting place.

Micah 5:2“But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Too little to be among the clans of Judah,
From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.
His goings forth are from long ago,
From the days of eternity.”

3Therefore He will give them up until the time
When she who is in labor has borne a child.
Then the remainder of His brethren
Will return to the sons of Israel.

Micah 5:4And He will arise and shepherd His flock
In the strength of the LORD,
In the majesty of the name of the LORD His God.
And they will remain,
Because at that time He will be great
To the ends of the earth.

Micah 5:5This One will be our peace.
When the Assyrian invades our land,
When he tramples on our citadels,
Then we will raise against him
Seven shepherds and eight leaders of men.

Micah 5:6They will shepherd the land of Assyria with the sword,
The land of Nimrod at its entrances;
And He will deliver us from the Assyrian
When he attacks our land
And when he tramples our territory

Jeremiah 50:1 The word which the LORD spoke concerning Babylon, the land of the Chaldeans, through Jeremiah the prophet:
2 "Declare and proclaim among the nations. Proclaim it and lift up a standard. Do not conceal it but say, 'Babylon has been captured, Bel has been put to shame, Marduk has been shattered; Her images have been put to shame, her idols have been shattered.'
3 "For a nation has come up against her out of the north; it will make her land an object of horror, and there will be no inhabitant in it. Both man and beast have wandered off, they have gone away!
4 "In those days and at that time," declares the LORD, "the sons of Israel will come, both they and the sons of Judah as well; they will go along weeping as they go, and it will be the LORD their God they will seek.
5 "They will ask for the way to Zion, turning their faces in its direction; they will come that they may join themselves to the LORD in an everlasting covenant that will not be forgotten.
6 "My people have become lost sheep; Their shepherds have led them astray. They have made them turn aside on the mountains; They have gone along from mountain to hill And have forgotten their resting place.
7 "All who came upon them have devoured them; And their adversaries have said, 'We are not guilty, Inasmuch as they have sinned against the LORD who is the habitation of righteousness, Even the LORD, the hope of their fathers.'
8 "Wander away from the midst of Babylon And go forth from the land of the Chaldeans; Be also like male goats at the head of the flock.
9 "For behold, I am going to arouse and bring up against Babylon A horde of great nations from the land of the north, And they will draw up their battle lines against her; From there she will be taken captive. Their arrows will be like an expert warrior Who does not return empty-handed.
10 "Chaldea will become plunder; All who plunder her will have enough," declares the LORD.

Jeremiah 50:35“A sword against the Chaldeans,” declares the LORD,
“And against the inhabitants of Babylon And against her officials and her wise men!

36“A sword against the oracle priests, and they will become fools!
A sword against her mighty men, and they will be shattered!

37“A sword against their horses and against their chariots
And against all the foreigners who are in the midst of her,
And they will become women!
A sword against her treasures, and they will be plundered!

38“A drought on her waters, and they will be dried up!
For it is a land of idols,
And they are mad over fearsome idols.

39“Therefore the desert creatures will live there along with the jackals;
The ostriches also will live in it,
And it will never again be inhabited
Or dwelt in from generation to generation.

Yes, and that came true already. Don't you remember, for centuries no one even believed Babylon existed because there was no evidence.

Verse 39 tells you it will not rise again. Iraq is not Babylon.

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Revelation 18:
2And he cried out with a mighty voice, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place of demons and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird.
Isaiah 34:
11But pelican and hedgehog will possess it,
And owl and raven will dwell in it;
And He will stretch over it the line of desolation
And the plumb line of emptiness.

Revelation 18:
17And every shipmaster and every passenger and sailor, and as many as make their living by the sea, stood at a distance, 18and were crying out as they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What city is like the great city?’

Jeremiah 49:
21The earth has quaked at the noise of their downfall. There is an outcry! The noise of it has been heard at the Red Sea.

Revelation 18:
18and were crying out as they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What city is like the great city?’

Isaiah 34:
9Its streams will be turned to pitch,
And its loose earth into brimstone,
And its land will become burning pitch.

Arabs are King of the South. So that leaves other Western nations.

Sorry, you're flat wrong on the Roman Empire not being referenced. The 'prince' who took down the Temple, Daniel 9:26, is the SAME as the one who will be in Rev 13. Furthermore, it's the main prophecy of the NT, which I've been documenting IN THE GREEK for 8 years. POLITICAL CHRISTIANITY is the harlot, and that's what Rev17 means by 'mystery' (Paul's keyword for Church).

GREEK METERS A TIMELINE as did the Hebrew, which again I've been documenting for 8 years, when I first found it in Isaiah 53. Done hundreds of videos showing live in Scripture how the meter works, https://vimeo.com/brainout/channels . Right now, we're metering Matthew 24-25 (which is one chapter of an annual prophetic timeline excoriating CHURCH for politicizing), latest results here: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=512&p=2321#p2304

If you look at the links there, the trail of prophetically condemning Political Church begins at Matt 24:5 (add 30 to the syllable counts to convert to AD), which of course is when Irenaeus and Tertullian were telling their lies.

Paul extensively also documented the upcoming apostasy syllable by year, with astonishing satire, MATCHING HIS TEXT TO MATT24, which we've just found. The Pauline writeup and videos (with downloadable pdf/docs/htm so you can vet the material in Bible and history yourself) is covered in https://vimeo.com/channels/paulmeterggs11 . Dare you to disprove it.

Now, none of that disproves the POTENTIAL of a Turkiye Erdogan or other guy trying to do its thing. Shoebat isn't paying enough attention to the Greek, though. He doesn't know the meter, as indeed none of the scholars do, since they still think 'meter' can only mean poetry. Never mind, folks remembered Scripture by SYLLABLE COUNTS, which clearly Paul and Luke MAP to sync with Matt24-25. So Shoebat's and your analysis suffer because you don't know these things.

So then how could both be true? Easy: 'ChrisLam'. Roman model in that Rome was all about the unity of church and state, and so too of course ISlam, and so too the Bible warning against political Christianity, of which Ted Cruz and Donald Trump are the #GOP poster boys (backed by Dominionists, aka 'evangelicals', who want Caesar, not God). LOL the sect to which Ted Cruz belongs, is called SEVEN MOUNTAINS, could God make the warning more obvious? https://www.google.com/#q=Seven+Mountai ... nald+Trump . Or see them talk themselves in Youtube, https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... nald+Trump
and https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... s+Ted+Cruz

I know you're for Cruz, and I would be also, were he not Dominionist.

All to destroy Israel, of course. Which is, Erdogan's biggest wish. Dominionism is anti-Israel, look it up along with Replacement Theology and Reconstructionism. Constantine started that. And Constantine is burlesqued by the Lord directly in Matt 24:8-9 (by the end, 354 AD, Constantine's surviving sons were killing each others kingdoms over whether God was One or Three). Paul is even more pointed about it, starting here: https://vimeo.com/channels/paulmeterggs11/78567584 .

So to instead just focus on Islam when Bible instead blames Church, is to misrepresent Bible prophecy.