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Καὶ ἦλθεν εἷς ἐκ τῶν ἑπτὰ ἀγγέλων




'I John, who wrote you prior, 10 years after the Temple fell, now write you 9 yrs later (some weeks after Chap1, which was 4 Chislev 88 AD)


τῶν ἐχόντων τὰς ἑπτὰ φιάλας




Now write you 9 yrs later (some weeks after Chap1, which was 4 Chislev 88 AD) Rev1:1's informal dateline meter =9th yr since 1Jn.  Punning: he writes 19th yr after Temple Fall (sum of prior dateline meters) & 19 years post-Mark's Gospel.


καὶ ἐλάλησεν μετ᾽ ἐμοῦ λέγων [μοι




Future End Kitos War in 117 & Trajan's death.  Shared theme in Matt24/Eph1/Luke21/ Mark13


δεῦρο, [και] δείξω σοι τὸ κρίμα




Prophetic pun on gossip re what Trajan was SAYING (legwn) when he died, re his successor.  So @'deu', Hadrian 'comes here' to Rome to take the purple.


τῆς πόρνης τῆς μεγάλης




Future start of Bar Kochba rebellion ending with a pig temple atop the HoH.


τῆς καθημένης ἐπὶ ὑδάτων πολλῶν,

tags Eph1:4a, Luke 1:2a et alia



Official dateline meter of 56th yr after Christ died at age 33 (+1, end-year). THEME


μεθ᾽ ἧς ἐπόρνευσαν οἱ βασιλεῖς τῆς γῆς    




To see what harlot play is like at end=156 AD, click here.


καὶ ἐμεθύσθησαν οἱ κατοικοῦντες τὴν γῆν




A.Pius end 161, M. Aurelius start, plagues brought back from M.E. wars.


ἐκ τοῦ οἴνου τῆς πορνείας αὐτῆς.

tags Mark 13:2d et alia



2nd Official dateline meter; when Christ in 91st yr (but He's nearly 92), shorthand: John writes yr after what should have been Trib-start on pre-Church sched. THEME. So instead, we get Commodus, who's made co-Augustus at end of  πορνείας


καὶ ἀπήνεγκέν με εἰς ἔρημον ἐν πνεύματι.

tags Eph1:5b



# years since Herod started Temple Rebuilding. common NT dateline formula.  THEME. Forward: 105+88=193AD, Septimius Severus gains purple (THEME in Matt24,Eph1, Luke21, Mark13). At kai, Aurelius was ek from this world.


Καὶ εἶδον γυναῖκα καθημένην




Severan cult pretending to be related to M. Aurelius. Christian apostasy widespread.


ἐπὶ θηρίον κόκκινον,




Severus dies, 211; son Caracalla kills Geta.  That's red, for ya.


γέμον[τα] ὀνόματα βλασφημίας       

tags Eph1:6a



@ ὀνόματα =Macrinus dies,  Severan nephews win purple on claim of incest via dead Caracalla (which even Romans considered blasphemous).


ἔχων κεφαλὰς ἑπτὰ καὶ κέρατα δέκα.



Severans all slain 235 AD (next kai, v.4), start of Crisis of the 3rd Century


καὶ ἡ γυνὴ ἦν περιβεβλημένη πορφυροῦν καὶ κόκκινον



Decius 'persecution' (really only libellus), ties to Eph1:10.


καὶ κεχρυσωμένη χρυσίῳ καὶ λίθῳ τιμίῳ καὶ μαργαρίταις,



Carus and rise of Diocletian.


ἔχουσα ποτήριον χρυσοῦν ἐν τῇ χειρὶ αὐτῆς



@τῇ Diocles' hands  kill Apher, then claims the purple (283 AD per his own accting).


γέμον βδελυγμάτων



Diocletian completes initial tetrarchy setup. Celebrates 10 years @των.


καὶ τὰ ἀκάθαρτα τῆς πορνείας αὐτῆς



end=304 AD, start of Diocletian persecution and Constantine's rise.


καὶ ἐπὶ τὸ μέτωπον αὐτῆς ὄνομα [αὐτῆς] γεγραμμένον,



end=315; Diocles retires, Constantine claims reign start @kai, Milvian @ye, Arles @mme, Galerius' death @ma, Milan Edict @γεγραμ thru Licinius/Daza fight



tags Eph1:9c



end=319, Diocles dies @μυσ; end=2nd Arles Council=Xtians cannibalize.


Βαβυλὼν ἡ μεγάλη,

tags Eph1:9d, Matt 24:6c



end=326, Constantine murders Licinius, his wife+son, Nicaea, starts New Rome.


ἡ μήτηρ τῶν πορνῶν




end=332, New Rome dedicated, new nasty laws against heretics/Jews/pagans.


καὶ τῶν βδελυγμάτων τῆς γῆς

tags Eph1:10, 12           



end=340, Constantine dies at βδελυγμάτων; brothers murder male rivals; Constantine II dies in 340 in civil war he started with brother Constans, over GOD..


καὶ εἶδον τὴν γυναῖκα μεθύουσαν



end=351, 'kai' Constans dies 350=ou, so whole empire belongs to Constantius II.


ἐκ τοῦ αἵματος τῶν ἁγίων



end=360; Constantius II dies the following year, kaiser becoming mere kai.


καὶ ἐκ τοῦ αἵματος τῶν μαρτύρων Ἰησοῦ.



end=372, Byz gets worse, persecutes fellow Christians.


Καὶ ἐθαύμασα ἰδὼν αὐτὴν θαῦμα μέγα.



end=385, the evil of joining religion to state, continues.


Καὶ εἶπέν μοι ὁ ἄγγελος·



end=393; Theodosius splits empire for  son Honorius,  dies 2 years later @dia.


διὰ τί ἐθαύμασας; ἐγὼ ἐρῶ σοι



end=405 Jerome finishes his Vulgate, and Byz gets jealous of Stilicho.


τὸ μυστήριον τῆς γυναικὸς



end=414  Arcadius' death a 'mystery' in 408; Ugly Pulcheria regent for Theo II.


καὶ τοῦ θηρίου τοῦ βαστάζοντος αὐτὴν



end=426; Honorius died 423 @τος


τοῦ ἔχοντος τὰς ἑπτὰ κεφαλὰς καὶ τὰ δέκα κέρατα.



end=443; Eph1:3-14 meter match ends @ἑπτὰ


Τὸ θηρίονεἶδες ἦν



end=451 infamous, cannibalizing Council of Chalcedon, year after Theo II dies. So he WAS but is not, now.  Marcian marries Pulcheria, takes Theo's place.


καὶ οὐκ ἔστιν



end=455 ValIII dies, somewhat 'aided' by Byz.  Effective end of the West.  So he is NOT now, either.  So too, Attila, who dies 454, interesting story here.


καὶ μέλλει ἀναβαίνειν ἐκ τῆς ἀβύσσου



end=467 Anthemius in the West, put there by Leo I in the East, to ward off Vandals.


καὶ εἰς ἀπώλειαν ὑπάγει,

Anthemius dies at λε & Leo, at ὑ, respectively.



end=476  Official end of W.Roman Empire, led away cuz Byz wouldn't help.


καὶ θαυμασθήσονται οἱ κατοικοῦντες ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς,



end=491 AD, tags 490 from Christ's Birth as Eph1:3 does. Covers Zeno's reign.


ὧν οὐ γέγραπται τὸ ὄνομα

Odovacer dies at 'ou'. Clever.             Anastasius rules.



end=499  All in name of God: East vs West pope (Acacian) schism, warring, intermarriages.


ἐπὶ τὸ βιβλίον τῆς ζωῆς ἀπὸ καταβολῆς κόσμου,



end=516 Byz/Persian wars. Still Anastasius to 518.  Then, Justin I.


βλεπόντων τὸ θηρίον ὅτι ἦν



end=526 when Justin I dies, WAS; dies Aug 527, so rounded down or plays like Mark13 does, former kaiser now merely kai (next word). End of 490 is @ 'the [beast]', 520 AD (490 years post-Cross, tags Matt24:15b).



καὶ οὐκ ἔστιν



end=530, the new kai, Justinian I, takes throne in 527, no more underneath.


καὶ [παλιν] παρέσται

Nika revolt, 532 and brutal showdown, J wins.  



end=534  Bad weather, cold, famine in the 530s, fighting in Italy.


ὧδε ὁ νοῦς ὁ ἔχων σοφίαν.



end=544  From 542ff 'plague of Justinian' deemed as bubonic.


Αἱ ἑπτὰ κεφαλαὶ ἑπτὰ ὄρη εἰσίν,

J's command req'd for anything re Church, 553



end=556   In 551 Beirut earthquake and tsunamis.


ὅπου ἡ γυνὴ κάθηται ἐπ᾽ αὐτῶν.

Justinian dies END 565, no longer upon.



end=567  Reconciles when John writes, to pre-Church Mill to 560 after Christ's birth.


καὶ βασιλεῖς ἑπτά εἰσιν·



end=575. In 574, Lovable madman Justin II retires, knowing he's wrong and mad, with wife Sophia (heh) helping him to do so. JII was hung up on living up to, JI.


οἱ πέντε ἔπεσαν,



end=580. Perhaps 5 fallen=Babylon, Persia, Greece (from Dan2, 7), +Constantine and Justinian, who both wanted United Church and State, the harlot here depicted.


[και] ὁ εἷς ἔστιν

580-584 bribing Franks to attack Lombards, click here.



end=584. Maurice uses Church to halt Lombards. Ostrogoths/Franks have West.

490+6, same style as Matt24, Luke 21, Mark13; John tallies to pre-Church schedule for Mill Start from when he writes, 6 yrs prior. Trib on pre-Church schedule was to start in 87; so John here stresses that he writes a year LATE, to show why LATE.


[και] ὁ ἄλλος οὔπω ἦλθεν,



end=591, start of new 490 after voting period, 1st 490 measured from the Cross.


καὶ ὅταν ἔλθῃ ὀλίγον αὐτὸν δεῖ μεῖναι.



end=604.  Temporary Persian victory in Levant, Lombards in Italy, end Senate.


καὶ τὸ θηρίον ὃ ἦν



end=611.   Mo baby, age 40, WAS starting his ministry at ho.  At least not a kai.


καὶ οὐκ ἔστιν



end=615.  Byz and Persia exhaust each other in Jeru, Persia temporarily wins.


καὶ αὐτὸς  [] ὄγδοός ἐστιν



end=623.  Muslim Hegira to Mecca (their 'exodus') is @ estin, get the pun?


καὶ ἐκ τῶν ἑπτά ἐστιν,



end=630.  Under Heraclius, Byz regain Jeru and slaughter Jews.


καὶ εἰς ἀπώλειαν ὑπάγει.



end=639.  Islam rises, Mo baby dies 632 at kai eis, last speech urged Muslims attack Jeru.  637/8, Muslims do so and 'lead' it to destruction. Koran is a play on Bible, claims to be its final update, refs Bible in every Sura. So is of the seven.


Καὶ τὰ δέκα κέρατα



end=649, Christians on both sides argue wrongly re Christ, nearly kill Empire.


εἶδες δέκα βασιλεῖς εἰσιν,



end=656.  Heraclius dies at kai ta.  The last of his line will be Justinian II.


οἵτινες βασιλείαν οὔπω ἔλαβον,



end=668.  By now, 6 more Byz rule/die, infra-Xtian warring, annual Arab sieges


ἀλλὰ ἐξουσίαν ὡς βασιλεῖς μίαν ὥραν



end=682.  Apostates agree Christ isn't Christ, 3rd Council of Constantinople.


λαμβάνουσιν μετὰ τοῦ θηρίου.



end=692  @λαμβάνουσιν, Constantine IV dies; Justinian II his son, takes his place.


οὗτοι μίαν γνώμην ἔχουσιν



end=701.  Justinian II deposed 695 οὗτοι μί for trying to make war with Pope


καὶ τὴν δύναμιν



end=706.  JII back in δύναμιν 705 (killed 711) , for trying to make peace w Pope.


καὶ [την] ἐξουσίαν αὐτῶν τῷ θηρίῳ διδόασιν.

Muslims invade Spain, 711.



end=720.  Arab 2nd seige of Constantinople 717 @θηρί makes Byz want to get right with God; so iconoclasm ramps up under the victor, Leo III.


οὗτοι μετὰ τοῦ ἀρνίου πολεμήσουσιν



end=733.  Arabs πολεμήσουσιν: Battle Tours/Poiters 732/3, Leo III drives out Muslims by 740.  back to the Bible (aka iconoclasm).


καὶ τὸ ἀρνίον νικήσει αὐτούς,



end=743.  Leo and Martel each die at νικήσει; sons continue.


ὅτι κύριος κυρίων ἐστὶν καὶ βασιλεὺς βασιλέων



end=762. Accounts vary; by 752-4 Pope crowns Pepin the Short KAI of Franks.


καὶ οἱ μετ᾽ αὐτοῦ κλητοὶ καὶ ἐκλεκτοὶ καὶ πιστοί.



end=776.  WITTY: @ κλητοὶ, Charles was indeed 'elected' King of the Franks.


Καὶ λέγει μοι·



end=780.  Alcuin SAYS to Charles he cannot kill those he conquers for not converting to Christianity.


[ταυτα] τὰ ὕδατα ἃ εἶδες οὗ ἡ πόρνη κάθηται,



end=794  Charlemagne's education reform, forcing Bible learning.


[και] λαοὶ καὶ ὄχλοι εἰσὶν καὶ ἔθνη καὶ γλῶσσαι.



end=807  Charlemagne crowned HRE @εἰσὶν on Christmas 800, yikes!


καὶ τὰ δέκα κέρατα ἃ εἶδες καὶ τὸ θηρίον



end=822.  Charlemagne dies end κέρατα.  His heir's relatives fight over their 7-10 horns (including partisan clergy, excluding Gisela).


οὗτοι μισήσουσιν τὴν πόρνην



end=831.  Young Theophilus vs Arabs; Louis Pious contra his own kids.


καὶ ἠρημωμένην ποιήσουσιν αὐτὴν



end=843.   Louis dies brokenhearted at ποιήσουσιν. Theoph dies at αὐ.


καὶ γυμνὴν καὶ τὰς σάρκας αὐτῆς φάγονται



end=855.  φάγονται=Lothair I abdicates/dies fighting w family;

=Theoph's son Michael III hires murderers to free himself from regents.


καὶ αὐτὴν κατακαύσουσιν ἐν πυρί.



end=867.   =MikeIII dies, hacked to death via best friend.  Lothair's kid Louis II inherits from dying brothers, gets a little peace after defeating Saracens.


ὁ γὰρ θεὸς ἔδωκεν εἰς τὰς καρδίας αὐτῶν



end=881. Louis dies @εἰς; Basil I grieves to appoint Leo VI successor while alive.


ποιῆσαι τὴν γνώμην αὐτοῦ



end=889.  Last Car'gian HRE Charles III Fat deposed/dies @μην au & Basil @γνώ


καὶ ποιῆσαι μίαν γνώμην



end=897   One mind, to eat each other, in West; Leo VI sought 1 son & 1 law


καὶ δοῦναι τὴν βασιλείαν αὐτῶν τῷ θηρίῳ



end=911 Lambert I dies @kai; end W.Car'gian 'beast' male line.


ἄχρι τελεσθήσονται οἱ λόγοι τοῦ θεοῦ.



end=924. LeoVI dies @ ἄχρι, then Const.VII under regency. = End HREmperors with Berengar I (@τελεσ thru θεοῦ) til 962 under Otto I. Magyar invasions, many.


καὶ ἡ γυνὴν εἶδες ἔστιν ἡ πόλις ἡ μεγάλη



end=939. Const. VII under thumb of R.Leka.  So that's the Great City.


ἡ ἔχουσα βασιλείαν



end=947.  CVII has son Romanos II at he, then FREE! @βασιλ


τῶν βασιλέων [ἐπὶ] τῆς γῆς.



End=956.  RII marries Theophanu; her marriage(s) + life personify Rev17 theme.  Also, the very year she marries is born another Theophanu, niece of the elder Theophanu's lover; by his grant, the younger will marry Otto II, thus also become Empress of the West. Final punchline: their lines end in 1024 (Henry II) -1025 (Basil II); both Empires' rulers chose to remain childless.

Anaphora intra-doc Links:   Notes    MeterMeaning    v1-5    v6-9   v10-14   v15-18    SEE/witness   v3   v6a   v6b   v8a  v8b   v12    v15   v16   v18

HARLOT/woman    v1    v3    v4    v5    v6    v7   v9    v15    v16    v18     BEAST   v3    v7    v8a   v8b   v11   v12   v13   v16   v17



Don't forget to add 88 to the Cum meter to convert to 'our' AD.


There is a doctrine pan-Bible, unknown to scholars, that God grants specific amounts time for spiritual growth.  Jews used to know, it's reflected in Talmud Sanhedrin 97-99; alas no one consulted them, lo these many millennia.  Not to worry, Bible validates and elaborates on that doctrine, to wit:  Messiah's Coming was TIMED to the very day, long in advance, and Israel was charged with tracking the Time to His Arrival.  This tracking is explicit in the verse text, and explicit in the meter -- syllable counting of one solar year per syllable, since the Jews were commanded to memorize Scripture.  The counts interact with the text to make the text easier to understand, even vivid.  490+70+490=1050 civilization unit benchmarks in the meter, starting in Genesis 1, were soon learned.


In the process, she overspent her 2100-year Time Allotment, such that 14 years remained to be paid -- 7 of which were allotted to Messiah's time assuming He'd live the 40 years allotted to Him.  But He was crucified 7 years early, so that 14 at the time of His Death, is still owed.  The Millennium at that time was scheduled to start 63 years later, forecast ever since Moses with some adjustments as Israel made up for or incurred more lost time -- but now that she rejected Him, a new 1050 must go to the Gentiles, a kind of bridge, with Church 'in Him' as the Completion of Christ's BODY, Bride Israel refused to be.  So 14-7 opened a new legal 'bridge' of undefined duration, but defined result: body completes:  if if if if Church too doesn't become so apostate she must Rapture at the wrong time, while yet incomplete.  For the number of bodies prepaid on the Cross, are known as soon as it completed.  If not all of them end up in Church, it's a MISTRIAL (for details, search on that term here.)


If instead she completes at the right time, the Tribulation will resume and the remaining time debt will be paid off, then 1050 of the Millennium will begin.  But now, when? No one knows.  So if the Rapture does not happen, how will believers continue to know what time it is?


Answer: Matt24-25 + Eph1 + Luke21 + Mark13 + this Rev17 prophecy for the world, how Church will go salty or saltless, and Bible freed up (hence prosperity) or kidnapped due to low interest (hence adversity).. year by year through 3243 AD (Matt24-25).  After that, all bets are off.


If the Rapture happens, whatever Time remains in this prophecy might well apply to the Millennium and beyond, or it gets truncated.  Point is, you'll know what time it is, for YOUR time.


NB: text is pasted from Bibleworks 9's BGT, which is copyrighted.  Some diacritics change in the pasting, mostly to accent word endings which are unaccented in the BGT text.  I don't know why the paste adds them.  The variants listed (none of which are counted) all come from the CNTTS apparatus within BW9.  Not all variants are listed.  Most of the variants listed are from some version of or related to Aleph, and/or ms 1854 from Mt. Athos.


John datelines Revelation both in this Chapter and in Chapter 1, as written end 88 AD.  Chapter 1 specifies 4 Chislev 88 AD, which is explained further here:  .  If you have Bibleworks fonts, you can substitute 'htm' for 'pdf' and read it online sans download.  Editable version is '.doc'.  This doc, by contrast, is Rev17R.doc;  download pdf is and you can also find it in the directory (which is public).  To easily understand the sevening, you'll need to know How God Orchestrates Time and .



Anaphora intra-doc Links:   Notes    MeterMeaning    v1-5    v6-9   v10-14   v15-18    SEE/witness   v3   v6a   v6b   v8a  v8b   v12   v15   v16   v18

HARLOT/woman    v1    v3    v4    v5    v6    v7   v9    v15    v16    v18     BEAST   v3    v7    v8a   v8b   v11   v12   v13   v16   v17


John plays his meter antiphonally to Matthew 24, starting at its syllable 56 or 57 or 58 until its syllable 926. (Not sure if John uses calendar, Christ-birthday, or autumnal fiscal; Matt24 is likely based on vernal equinox, sacred year fiscal, for Christ is speaking on the very first day of the new sacred year, reminding everyone of Exodus 12's SOLAR calendar mandate.)  Rev17:1's first syllable onward, also plays on Ephesians 1:3-14 (not sure what fiscal Paul uses).  John's meter plays also to Luke 21 and Mark13 in the same way as to Matt24, since all three chapters are dated when the writers write, but SET the text in 30 AD when Christ speaks, giving His Own Deathbed Future Prophecy for Church, even as Jacob did for Israel back in Genesis 49. (Christ was supposed to be born 2000 years after Jacob, but owing to Solomon starting the building of the 1st Temple 3.5 years late, Christ has to be born early to match.)


Backstory is in JohnDatelineMeters.pdf; updated listing of all the meters we've found including related doc/vid links, is in the first few pages by LukeDatelineMeters.pdf (or substitute htm if you have Bibleworks fonts).  Neither of those documents contain the links or meters of Matt24/Luke21/Mark13 or this Rev17, but you can find all of the latter in the video descriptions, starting here .


Latest versions are:

Matt24-25: or .doc, if you want to edit.

Luke 21: or .doc, if you want to edit.

Mark13: or .doc, if you want to edit.

Revelation 17:


This doc:


Re intra-doc links to external sources for the people or events named:  the same text (i.e., name) may be linked to more than one source.  For example, DIR and Wiki are used often for the same individual, as DIR is scholarly but Wiki often contains more information. So don't assume the same same link is underneath the same name.


The following pan-Bible meters have doctrinal values derived from the Old Testament that interact with the text (as cross-reference, elucidator, dateline, or verifier of syllable counts), and reflect Bible's doctrine on how God orchestrates Time.  (Master Meter list is LukeDatelineMeters.pdf .)  Meters are often combined per the list below:


7 means promise and Tribulation-quality (much suffering to grow).

14 means double trouble.

21 means number of years Jacob indentured himself with Laban, so comes to mean growth under often unfair authority.

28 means 21+7.

35 means God's Vote, waiting for man's vote (total equals 70, so it's something of a pun).  Isaiah 53 used the meter this way, to 'package' his matching paragraphs to Psalm 90.

42 means double growth, 21x2.

49 means Diaspora, missed sabbatical years; Daniel prays at the start of 49th year 1st Temple Down (per his meter), for its restoration.  So comes to mean severe apostasy.


56 means the 49 + extra 7 years due on that added 49 which also got missed.  Comes to mean Danger of Vote Short.  Thus Tribulation is a hanging chad, 69 sevens in Daniel 9:26;  the missed time couldn't be made up until Messiah came, and He was scheduled to die age 40, 1000 years after David died.  But He died 7 years early, which this Matthew 24-25 meter, stresses.  The Chapter(s) is a type of dying blessing, much like Genesis 49 was from Jacob (where the blessor foretells the future).  Like Isaac had done (when he thought he was dying, but didn't) to Jacob and Esau (Gen27:19ff).


63 means Vote Short, the missing 7 wasn't/won't be made up.  Pointed in Matt24;  His due-7 will be spent taking down the Temple, 33-40 years after He dies.


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HARLOT/woman    v1    v3    v4    v5    v6    v7   v9    v15    v16    v18     BEAST   v3    v7    v8a   v8b   v11   v12   v13   v16   v17


70 means Voting Period, 490+70+490=1000+50 to harvest the Gentiles, with the 70 'paying' for the 50 (hence the severe requirement for sabbatical years). Jacob spent 70 years after returning to the Land, before entering Egypt.  The math of the 70 'paying' for the 50, is in  page 15.


77 means David's Age at Death (idea of completing God's purpose for one's life).  1Kings 6:1 in context from 2:39 and 1Chron22 tells you that, but scholars use Josephus. Isaiah 53 uses the 77 in his meter, since its theme is First David to Last David.


84 means God's Decree given but not yet completed, first used by Moses in Psalm 90:4.  Isaiah splits the 84 into 42's to begin and end his Chapter 53.

91 means Lord's 91st year, when the Tribulation was supposed to start, pre-Church. So means 'season', which Paul uses in Eph1:3-14 meter.

98 means Lord's 98th year, when the Tribulation was supposed to end and the Mill begin, pre-Church.  Shorthand for Millennium.

105 means 98+7, balance to Jacob's birth 2106 from Adam's Fall (Lord was initially supposed to be born 2000 years later), so it's a balance to Jacob.


126 means 70+56, Doom Time, which Isaiah 53 used equidistantly: he wrote 126 years before 1st Temple would go down, and it would go down with 126 yrs left on its 490-yr time grant, hence Daniel 9:26 re-credits that lost time (49+70+reimburse the 364 Temple Standing Years = the 69 weeks in Daniel 9:26, with 7 left on the 126 for Dan 9:27).


308 means Noah's time in Ark from entry to his 601st birthday. Details are at .

364 means Noah's time in Ark and 1st Temple standing time.

430 means time Israel was in Egypt, Exodus 12:40-41 (390 in slavery +10 slavery years for Joseph, so first 40 years in Egypt were nice).

434 means 364+70.

490 means Time Grant to someone supermaturing within a historical 490 (else Time ends for the world), starting with Adam's Fall.

560 means 490+70: not only did someone supermature, but at least one person voted to learn God during the 70 (Noah, Moses, see ).


1050 means 490+70+490, the basic civilization unit, which is also 1000+50.  Genesis 1 begins with this.  Two each were promised, first to non-Jews (Adam until Abram), then Jews (Abraham in 2046 supermatured, through the death of Christ, originally scheduled for 4146, but truncated to 4143, the earlier rule of 1000 years after David's death; He actually dies two weejs after speaking in Matt24-25, in 4136 from Adam's fall, rounded to 4137 in the meter counts using the civil year, which began just over 6 months prior).  Talmud Sanhedrin 97-99 is a garbled version of this provision (or shorthand, excluding the extra 50's).  Matthew 24-25 is likely the source of the Messiah 2000, since the OT scheduled Mill to begin at 4200 (Psalm 90's meter).  Christ extends the timeline longer than the OT did.  (So Book of Enoch is likely also a garbled version of Matt24-25, so is not by the 'Enoch' in the OT.)

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Anaphora is a prominent feature in Matt24, Eph1, Luke 21, Mark 13.  Here in Rev17, the anaphora are see, harlot and beast.  Distances between them are divisible by seven, as follows.


See references


Mark 13 and to a lesser extent Luke 21 prior, Ephesians 1 prior (via thelematos) and Matthew 24 as the ultimate parent prophecy, sarcastically use 'see', to show how political power DIES; word placement for seeing is matched with a future emperor's DEATH, stressing both the one dying, and his successor.  Revelation 17, apes this.


v.3 εἶδον sylls 107-8 = 195-96 AD.  First instance, no native sevening, but is divisible by seven (108-38) to prior v.1 τῆς πόρνης, which is the first anaphoric word.  This, is the second.  Time here, refers to when Septimius Severus defeated his rivals for the purple, promulgated the myth he was the son of Marcus Aurelius, to create uniting faith (here as philosopher-king) and state.  His wife and her sisters would later capitalize on this to regain power after Macrinus killed Caracalla. So 'wife' is trenchant, evokes Eph1:9 (q.v.)


v.6 εἶδον sylls 254-5 = 342-3 AD.  Sevens at 255-108.  Here, focus is on Constans who survives his brother's attack, only to die himself by the end of the clause.  The remaining brother, Constantius II, will end up inheriting the whole empire then.  The brothers had first killed their siblings/cousins/uncles as potential rivals, then warred with each other over the definition of 'God' and 'Christ'.  During these two years, Constans had to battle in the West to solidify his gains (due to his brother's death in 340). These years also span start of the religious dispute which would poison his relations with CII.


v.6b εἶδον sylls 290-1 = 378-9 AD.  Sevens at 290-255.  Precursor to official split: in 375 AD owing to the death of Valentinian I, the baby Valentinian II is crowned in the East by the army, though his half-brother Gratian is still Emperor in the West. In 378-9 however, Gratian instead appointed Theodosius I as the Emperor for the East.


v.8a εἶδες sylls 361-2 = 449-50 AD.  Sevens at 361-291.   Valentinian III in the West, Theodosius II in the East.  Latter dies in 450.  Karma, cuz VIII titled Attila, encouraged the Huns to invade the East; so in 449, VIII's sister invited Attila to invade the West, take her so she could avoid marrying some guy VIII imposed on her; so in that same year, he invaded Gaul (dates vary).  You can't make this stuff up.


v.8b βλεπόντων sylls 429-31 = 517-9 AD.  Sevens at 431-361.  Anastasius, a Miaphysite aka (somewhat inaccurately) Monophysite, defender of Zeno's Henotikon, faced opposition to it among his rival Chalcedonians, yet brought the empire back to some good governance and economy, died in 518.  Dissertation on him, here.  Next, Justin I ascended, finally beat his religious enemies, then reverted strongly back to Chalcedonianism.  Nephew Justinian would end up on the throne 10 years later, but was active in his uncle's administration from its start.


v.12 εἶδες sylls 563-4 = 651-2 AD.  Sevens at 564-431.  Constans II finally orders the ongoing Chalcedonian-Monophysite debates to stop, in attempt to allow freedom of faith, in 648 and repeatedly after that.  He seems to have finally won during these two years, getting the pope arrested.  So the 'death' here is more like a breach, designed to provide free faith.


v.15 εἶδες sylls 698-9 = 786-7 AD.  Sevens at 698-565.  Last two years of the impending marital alliance between Byzantine widow Empress Irene's son Constantine VI and Charlemagne's Rotrude, broken by Irene.  That 'death', begins rift that results in Pope replacing Irene with Charlemagne as the true Holy Roman Emperor in 800 (Constantine having died in 797).  Then Charlemagne proposes to marry Irene, but she finally says no (search on Aetius, here);  then, Byzantines rise against her;  Nikephorus I deposes her; she dies in a monastery.


v.16 εἶδες sylls 727-8 = 815-6 AD.  Sevens at 728-700.  Louis the Pious, taking over at his dad's death in 814, is not crowned HRE until 816.  His is a sad life, his children always rebel against him while he tries to unite Church and State.


v.18 εἶδες sylls 842-3 = 930-1 AD.  Sevens at 841-729.  Otto I, ascends the throne in 929/930 when his dad died.  At this point there is no HRE, but there will be in 962, and he'll be crowned HRE then.  Meanwhile, he has a son Otto II, who he'll marry off to Theophanu, the niece of Byzantine Emperor Tzimikes, who himself allegedly had the former Byzantine Empress Theophanu as a lover, who married Romanos II back in 956 where Revelation 17 ends.  That was also the year, the niece was born.  Otto II, was born the year prior.  All the other anaphora keywords stress this witty convergence.  Here, it's traced back to the dad at his own accession.


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Whore/gune references are to false teaching that politicizes

Whose teachers end up calling themselves 'pure' (katharos, from which comes 'catholic')


Paul, in Ephesians 1:3-14, keying off both Matthew 24 and Luke 21, twines the prophetic rise and fall of Rome with the rise of Church Apostasy in his meter, which is in 'our' AD format: for they had the same 3-year problem we do;  a guy named Varro accounted ab urbe condita as net 3 years too high when Christ was born (not due to His Birth, just did it that year), vs Livy who accounted the years rightly;  Claudius made Varro's tally, LAW.  As a result, Bible writers all had to make adjustments just as we do.  Their meter shows it.  So use the AD conversions here to 'mate' to Paul's tracking, which is mapped in or pdf.  It functions also as a syllabus: there are many independent websites linked there, with contemporary or modern Roman historian sources.


v.1 τῆς πόρνης at sylls 38-40, runs 126-8 AD, first instance.  Rise of the false doctrine of apostolic succession, first tried that we know of, by Clement of Rome. Sample of his bile, here and here.  Rise of virulent anti-semitism at the same time, samples here and here.


v.3 γυναῖκα at sylls 109-11, runs 197-9 AD, sevens at 111-41.  Tags Matt24:4b.  Popular writings by disgusting Irenaeus preceded this v.8's vile 'gal', Tertullian, who converts in 197 and mothers myths and Daniel 9 miscalculation.  Meanwhile, Mater Castrorum and other emotional titles are being created by the Severans: the women end up controlling politics through 235 via incest and religious claims started during 197-9, when our boy finally defeated his last rival for the purple.  Which is hilarious, since Aurelius' wife Faustina was rumored to have a 'Tertullus' as a lover, and now Julia Domna was 'inheriting' Faustina the Younger's title.  Maybe tags Eph1:8b covering same years, as that's what they were saying about Severus at the time (and even now).


v.4 ἡ γυνὴ at sylls 148-50, runs 236-8 AD, sevens at 112-147, in between.  Tags Eph 1:9d.  Roman Christians fought with each other over whether Christ was coming back, inter alia, so finally were expelled from Rome and Alexander Severus murdered, in 235. Heyday of Bible-illiterate Origen whose attempts to convert Severans, helped them get killed.  This guy reads emasculation metaphor literally, but literal Rev7 tribes of Israel, allegorically.  Not to be outdone, another instigator arguing in Rome and hence purged, is Hippolytus, who dies then.  He has heavy competition from anti-semite Cyprian.  The number of jerks writing long meaningless tomes during this time is uncountable.  During this time, Peter is first put on a pope list, by comrade of Demetrius of Alexandria (who hated Origen), Julius Africanus.


v.5 τῶν πορνῶν at sylls 242-44, runs 330-2 AD, sevens at 151-242.  Tags Matt24:9b, Eph 1:12 (heart of Paul's anaphora), plus Luke 21:12c, which say 'they will kill you' and 'take you to jail', respectively.  Focus on the dedication of 'new Rome' (Constantine's name for it), which solidified the 'justification' for persecuting anyone not adhering to whatever flavor of Christianity the 'new Rome' favored that moment.  So yeah, Constantine's rule produced massive laws against anyone not of his prelate preference, damned as heretics or worse.  Time also covers liar-in-chief Eusebius.  Name means 'spiritual life', which he had NONE.  NO, zero, nada, zip compunction about lying.  Can't add or subtract numbers or Scripture if his life depended on it.  Even until now, his obvious math errors keep repeating, wasting millions of dollars and countless spiritual profit; so that to this day, Daniel 9 is still misaccounted, even by Dispensationalists.  For Eusie was the chief chronicler of vile Constantine, who himself was pretty adept at lying.  Which lying, you can read for yourself at that link.  His fellow liar Lactantius died just prior to this particular whorific period.


v.6 τὴν γυναῖκα at sylls 256-9, runs 344-7 AD, sevens at 256-242.  Anaphoric center left.  Tags Mark 13:9, Eph1:12b, and Luke 21:12; vileness of religion on and by rulers post-Constantine, starting with his murdering sons, click here for the tie to Ephesians 1:12, keep reading.  This first 100 years or so sets the whorifying apostate 'unity' pattern.  Most poignant is how Paul closes Eph1:12 marking Constantine's death as half-baked proelpikotas (first fruits, aka Pentecost, which was the day we are told Constantine died in 337).  Eph1:12b ends at 343 AD.  John here adds the horror of persecution, connecting it to completion of firstfruits in those martyred (who are not the ones listed by the lying Church Fathers; or if martyred, what is said about them is a lie by the Church Fathers, who were completely apostate)


v.7  τῆς γυναικὸς at sylls 323-6, runs 411-4 AD, sevens at 326-256.  Anaphoric center right.  Tags Luke 21:15b. Evil Pulcheria's initial push to make a cult of herself, click here.  Note that the number of claimants against Honorius also are 10,


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v.9  ἡ γυνὴ at sylls 471-3, runs 559-61 AD, sevens at 473-326.  Tags Mark 13:14.   Last Years of anti-semitic Justinian I, who like Trajan, overextended the Empire, rendering its treasury, empty; so it will soon lose territory.  Worse, JI codified his own religion into Law, trying to unite with Rome; dissenters were persecuted.  So now Harlot sits astride the Beast as the Empire's LEGAL CODE.  So in these particular last years:  earthquakes, plagues, famine, roof of Haggia Sophia (verse 6a here plays on NO wisdom in Byzantium by its falling), invasions.. just as Lev26 promises.. which no one reads.  Granted, Procopius wrote against JI for other reasons, but here we have God's.


v.15 ἡ πόρνη at sylls 701-3, runs 789-91 AD, sevens at 703-472, in between.  Rise of the Carolingians, esp. with Pepin getting the Pope's help to replace the Merovingians, not a good thing.  In particular, at this time Charlemagne has just helped the Pope be free of Lombard dominance, taking it over himself.  For which, he will shortly be crowned by the Pope, in part due to the iconoclasm movement being repulsed by evil Irene in the East, but she was the ruler and the Pope wanted to make her pine for his support.  Charles had also proposed marriage after he was crowned HRE, so Irene's advisor Aetius talked her out of it, per chronicler Theophanes.  Charles also began his education reform, which involved how to teach Bible, i.e., the Admonitio Generalis in 789 (can't find a good translation online).  This is a 'whore', cuz the king is regulating Bible teaching and interp. Tags Matt24:25.  So of course, Charles did a lot of bad lawgiving, just like Diocletian, click here.


v.16 τὴν πόρνην at sylls 741-3, runs 829-31 AD, sevens at 743-701.  Tags Mark 13:20-23's first nested anaphora, centering on Theophilus, who takes power this year, son of a murdering usurper named Michael II, who murdered his erstwhile friend, the prior Emperor who had also murdered to get the purple, Leo V.  Theophilus was a back-to-the-Bible guy, so warred with the harlot iconophiles.  He had good victories against the Arabs which can be considered miraculous, and historians consider the 'reconstruction period' ends with Theo.  These first three years cover him seeking punishment against Leo V's murderers (since his own dad was dead), and initial mixed success defeating the invading Arabs.  With the people he was regarded as so just, they quipped he'd be a judge in the afterlife.


God doesn't quite agree.  Can't outlaw faith, even if it's wrong.  But this shows how the horns hate the harlot.  Same went on under Charlemagne, who at this point has been dead 15 years, for he sought to control and dictate to the clergy how they should behave, what they should teach, etc.  THAT is whoredom.


v.18 ἡ γυνὴ at sylls 838-40, runs 926-8 AD, sevens at 840-742, in between.  This also exactly intersects with Mark's huios nest in Mark 13:26, which I discuss in video here, covering Constantine VII just when the boy is now age 21, which then as now was regarded as 'adult' (never mind the toga virilis), but his regents weren't relinquishing power to him.  The sevening of 98 shockingly accords with Mark13:26's text, which is how all eyes will see The Son of Man coming in the clouds at the 2nd Advent.  Maybe it's satire on the fact that huios means adult ADOPTED son (both adult and adopted are inherent in the term), but like Christ, Constantine VII wasn't regarded at his own advent.   By contrast, if we add in the 908-911 beast clause: same period in Matt24:29b covers his birth to age 20 (born 905, end of Matt24:9a) runs καὶ ἡ σελήνη οὐ δώσει τὸ φέγγος αὐτῆς, καὶ οἱ ἀστέρες πεσοῦνται ἀπὸ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ.  Zech 14, idea of total darkness just before 2nd Advent, whereas Mark's language IS 2nd Advent (see Heb12).


I'm not sure why these years are stressed with the religious harlotry theme;  they must be important, for John to deliberately overlap the exact same years with Mark 13:26's exact occurrence of huios; which proves, John was counting syllables, too.  C's mother was his regent until 920 when Romanos I took over that job, promptly married his 9-year-old daughter to the then age 14 CVII.. and remained head regent far too long; eventually deposed by his own kids.


Of course, the gune at the end of v.18 ends up being C's own daughter-in-law Theophanu, ersatz daughter of an innkeeper, loved wife of Romanos II, marrying him at the end of the verse.. so there's that.  She does end up prostituting herself when Romanos dies in 963, by marrying Nikephoros II Phocas, to protect her young children by Romanos.  One of these, Anna, will become the object of distastrous marital negotiation;  ironically, another Theophano, niece of widowed former Empress Theophano's alleged lover and next Emperor John Tzimiskes, will end up marrying Otto I's kid.  Do you think God has a sense of humor, to end Revelation 17 on this prophetic, punning  note?


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Beast references

Focus on the rulers of the polities: beast=polity or ruler of it (contrasts with seraphim 'beasts' in Rev 4)


v.3 θηρίον  sylls 117-9, runs 205-7 AD, first instance.  Downfall and Severan recovery after Plautianus.  Not sure what it addresses, other than Severan institutionalized DECEIT: Septimius claimed himself a son of M. Aurelius, though everyone knew he was from Lepcis; Matt24:4b&5a content tie, but years don't match enough.  By contrast, this Rev17:3 tags Eph 1:8b and Mark 13:5.


v.7 τοῦ θηρίου  sylls 328-11 runs 416-9 AD, sevens at  327-117.  Clearly tags Paul's Eph1:9 using musterion to satirize Severan mothers who claimed incest with Caracalla to get back in power.  Now, 200 years later, two other women scheme using Church specifically: Byzantium anti-semite Pulcheria, starts up a cult of herself at this point (search on 414, here which is a followup to the gunaikos tag earlier in v7).  In the West, the other woman who'll be centered in v8a, Gallia Placida; her brother Emperor  Honorius married her off to a general.  Then he dies childless, so her son takes the purple.  Again, corresponding years in Matt24:12 text are biting, but not aligned.


v.8a  Τὸ θηρίον  sylls 356-9 runs 444-7AD, sevens at 356-328.  You can say Matt24:14's first six syllables tie, in withering sarcasm; yeah, the beast John saw was NOT, in his day;  it would take the rise of Christianity, to create such a monstrosity.  Story of the dominating women 'preaching', one over Valentinian III in the West, and in the East.. still ugly Pulcheria who ramps up a cult of herself during these years, to compete with Theo II's wife (who she picked out, lol).  Historians consider ValIII's rule to be the turning point breaking down the West irrevocably (loss of Africa, and here in 444, Spain), which created the inability to raise sufficient taxes to defend whatever territory was gained.  As for the East, this business of women taking over young men becomes a Byzantine refrain, and frankly all their history is tainted by it, e.g., later rise of iconoclasm to get back to the Bible; but women ruling over young emperors, reversed it.


v.8b  τὸ θηρίον   sylls 432-5 runs 520-3 AD, 490 years after Cross (which Matt24 marks as 490); sevens at 434-357.  Long before Justin I died, his heir  Justinian I got law changed to marry Theodora, in 523.  He's first consul in 521 (suspected of murdering consul in 520); already acts as if Emperor.


v.11  τὸ θηρίον  sylls 518-21 runs 606-9 AD, sevens at 518-434.  Anaphoric center.  Turning point, cuz Justinian I had overextended the Empire much as Trajan had the West.  So too, after Justinian died, there ensued a series of financial and invasion problems usurpers used, to grab imperial power.  One of these was Phocas, which this v.11 tags.   The family will rise again and again in Byz history from this point on.  Ten years later, the series of purple musical chairs without solution to her overstretching financial problems, will reach its nadir when Byz loses Egypt, under Heraclius.  Byz was by then, under attack from all sides, lots of internal religious strife with various prelates arguing whether Christ was one nature or two, greatly exacerbated the period (to 641 when Heraclius dies).  It will continue to characterize Byzantine Empire for its lifetime.


v.12  τοῦ θηρίου.  sylls 601-4 runs 689-92 AD, sevens at 602-518, seems wrong?  Covers Justinian II from age 21 (he became Emperor at 17), early good years of his first reign.  However, he persecuted the Manicheans and apparently went against cherished traditions, though still Orthodox to the point of convening councils to see if there could be rapproachment with Rome; when the Pope rejected those councils, JII wanted to arrest the Pope in Ravenna.  After JII was deposed in 695, he got help from the Bulgars, regained the throne in 705, then a) tried to unite with a new pope he appointed, and b) warred against those who helped him regain power.  In between both reigns: another Byz Constantinople plague outbreak (first one happened under his namesake, Justinian I, around 542), symbolizing political plague of musical emperors, which historians now call the Twenty Years' Anarchy; which his first deposition, triggered.  Clever text, v.12, as there were indeed 10 horns but no power, all fighting with the beast.  7 of the 10 are listed in previous link: the other three are JII first time and his son 2nd time, plus Leo III, who ended the anarchy.


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v.13 τῷ θηρίῳ sylls 626-9 runs 714-7 AD, sevens at 629-601.  Start of the iconoclastic movement in the wake of Siege of Constantinople 717 which Leo III won.. but barely.  Mark singles him out, using him to start a kurios anaphora nest, at Mark 13:20.  These years close the Twenty Years' Anarchy (see v.12's note at end), include reluctant usurper Theodosius III, with Leo defeating him in in 717 without harm to TheoIII.  Immediately, Leo III was faced with the 2nd Arab siege; his bare win resulted in him gaining popularity as the 'restorer of the Empire', enough to launch the iconoclasm movement in earnest.  The Pope wasn't happy with it at all.  But the Ostrogoths were; so too, the new mayors of the palace, over the last Merovingians.  For they all had 'one mind' re problem of Arab invasion; the papacy, was a burden.


v.16 τὸ θηρίον  sylls 731-4 runs 819-22 AD, sevens at 731-626.  Seems to tag Matt24:26c.  Aftermath of Charlemagne's death.  In the West, fighting by his grandsons over who gets what.  Each faction tried to get papal support.  The lone son surviving was Louis the Pious who would end up spending the rest of his life fighting with his own sons.  The impetus for those fights began in 819, just after Louis' beloved wife died, and he was in deep mourning for her.  He himself had also had a close brush with death, so formulated a succession plan which granted more to the son of his wife than the other kids;  so Bernard rebelled, Louis had him blinded which caused B's death, and by 822 Louis was so conscience-stricken, he made public atonement before the Pope; his subjects saw this as weakness.  By 820 also, he remarried and had yet another son, revised his succession plans accordingly, to the consternation of his other sons.  So by 823, they conspired to depose him, with some clerics granting support for Louis' downfall.


In the East, again Rev17 tags Mark, this time at his 13:22, semeion anaphora.  Irene got ousted in 802, then musical-chair usurping emperors killing each other.  Here, the one killed, himself got into power by killing, Leo V;  he's murdered in 820 on Christmas day INSIDE a church by his former friend, who then takes over as Michael II.


v.17 τῷ θηρίῳ  sylls 820-3 runs 908-11 AD, sevens at 823-732, in between. See also the gune note for v.18.  Charlemagne's male line in West or East Francia dies out in 911.  The next year, a baby boy is born later known as Otto I, the first be legally HRE since Charles the Fat was deposed in 888.  In the East, 908 saw baby Constantine VII crowned; yet in 912 when Otto was born, Constantine VII's dad Leo VI died.  Two births. Two deaths. The deaths cause the born, to inherit.  Had the Carolingians not died in 911, fat chance Otto would have been crowned; there'd have been no pope offer to crown his dad, when Otto was 3.  Constantine was 3 when his Emperor dad died.  Good Greek drama: John counts syllables for a dramatic future pairing (or God had him do it that way and John didn't know why).


Here's the punchline: Otto I's son will marry the niece of the Byzantine Emperor whose accession depended on him exiling (Constantine VII's) the Empress mother, on the grounds she was his lover (true or not, no one knows).  The niece will have the same name as the mother, becomes HR Empress; her son will be Otto III, also an HRE.